2016 Postmortem

metroins

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35. Because they're not required to

Tue Nov 22, 2016, 12:43 PM

Nov 2016

In the end, it's up to the voters and the candidates.

The news networks are businesses.

They hurt their reputations by putting Trump surrogates on and going for ad revenue. If we were talking about non profit news, that's different, but they made a business decision.

Trump brought ad revenue to the stations, Hillary negative news didn't. Trump clearly outplayed Hillary on modern news platforms and what they want. Should it be that way? No. But that's how it is and I can't blame the media for doing what businesses do...bring in revenue.

Ethics vs. Capitalism, capitalism wins

I think Hillary ran a decent campaign, not great, but decent. I think she'd be a much better leader than a campaigner and I also had more faith in humanity. I personally believe failure always stems from the top and I start looking internally when something fails instead of externally.

Hillary lost because of Hillary.

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Bernie Sanders did NOT ... NOT say ditch identity politics !!! [View all] uponit7771 Nov 2016 OP

That's not the quote I've seen BainsBane Nov 2016 #1

I agree, I would like to see a video... the link I posted is the whole thing transcribed though uponit7771 Nov 2016 #2

I posted the video...and I do not agree after watching it. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #4

He went off on her BainsBane Nov 2016 #8

Hmmmm, so "here's the way you can be the 2nd Latino Senator and please fight for the middle uponit7771 Nov 2016 #10

She is a woman. I am sorry but I think that matters to Bernie. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #17

Yep. Me either. And it sounds like he thinks WhiteTara Nov 2016 #27

I think that worst thing in this election is finding out that misogyny exists on the left as well as Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #73

It has been there since the 1960s. duffyduff Nov 2016 #76

I am surrounded by really good guys...hubs, brothers,friends and my son... Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #87

Oh, for Pete's sake. duffyduff Nov 2016 #88

I don't disagree. But the men I have come in contact with were not sexist. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #89

This. Misogyny AND racism... MADem Nov 2016 #94

Teddy stayed in longer in '80 and was far uglier about it. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #48

Good grief. ucrdem Nov 2016 #49

Of course I know what happened 53 years ago. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #53

Well we failed to learn from history then. ucrdem Nov 2016 #66

The lesson of history is NOT that there should be no serious contest for the nomination. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #78

The lesson of 2008 was exactly that. ucrdem Nov 2016 #79

It was never Hillary or nothing. She was never the only possible winner we had. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #81

Are you kidding? She BARELY beat Scott Brown. MADem Nov 2016 #95

I consistently see that particular unsupported allegation. LanternWaste Nov 2016 #122

Bull! Social media wasn't around back then. grossproffit Nov 2016 #55

And Ted Kennedy refused to work with Carter on health care as well Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #59

We couldn't have won if Hillary had faced no primary opposition, either. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #62

We needed to focus on securing the vote. We got distracted. ucrdem Nov 2016 #65

You think so. I don't agree. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #72

It isn't "either/or". Ken Burch Nov 2016 #80

I agree! OhioBlue Nov 2016 #77

And it's Hillary's fault that Obama lost the 2008 election! BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #83

The primary was not even close to as bitter as 16. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #86

Actually Ted's failure to compromise with Nixon on healthcare BlueProgressive Nov 2016 #84

Neither Carter nor Ted would work together. Carter did try in fact. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #85

I remember him giving his stump speech, pretty much. MADem Nov 2016 #108

He has a PROBLEM with powerful women. MADem Nov 2016 #93

Watch the video. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #3

The politico link I posted had this word for word, I do agree the woman part was NOT needed at uponit7771 Nov 2016 #6

I think it is divisive and hurts our party. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #14

I think he is divisive and he hurts our party. WhiteTara Nov 2016 #28

I have to say Schumer made an error on this...no way a non-Democrat should Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #60

an old white man endorsing another old white man. nt WhiteTara Nov 2016 #74

It's not a real leadership role. It's a title with no money or staff. MADem Nov 2016 #97

This proves my point about him being a New Left Marxist. duffyduff Nov 2016 #39

Reminds me of an old general fighting the last war. MADem Nov 2016 #5

I know BainsBane Nov 2016 #7

"...how is it that he doesn't recognize white nationalism as identity politics?" True point... uponit7771 Nov 2016 #9

He shit on women more than once in that mess. MADem Nov 2016 #36

I am in the LEAD, FOLLOW or GET OUTTA THE WAY school of thought MADem Nov 2016 #21

I have zero doubts about that. BainsBane Nov 2016 #22

He knows full well what he is doing. Women and POC don't count in his world. duffyduff Nov 2016 #40

How could he. His political career is deep in identity politics. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #11

Forked Tongue Syndrome otohara Nov 2016 #34

Oh FFS Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #67

I will. Thank you. NCTraveler Nov 2016 #69

Never claimed he was infallible Goblinmonger Nov 2016 #70

He is not my own when... NCTraveler Nov 2016 #71

Wonderful advice. Too bad that Sanders and his diehards didn't heed it before the election. lapucelle Nov 2016 #130

He's to be primaried at that midterm, if his putative challenger steps up. MADem Nov 2016 #98

Howard Dean! lapucelle Nov 2016 #129

Not Howard--if we're lucky he will be DNC chair soon. MADem Dec 2016 #132

Anyone who weaponized a presidential election vote by staying home or going third party lapucelle Nov 2016 #128

Anyone named "Bernie" lapucelle Nov 2016 #127

The main issue is that a lot of left wingers have concluded forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #12

Yeap, Obama and Clinton weren't progressive "enough" and to some that was a call for outright ... uponit7771 Nov 2016 #13

Unfortunately, not being white males and advocating for non-white, non-male interests forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #15

It is all about economics with Bernie... Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #18

I want to see how HE managed his personal economic situation before he MADem Nov 2016 #24

You have to wonder what is in those taxes. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #25

It's not a real leadership position, IMO. MADem Nov 2016 #26

He's been in Congress 20 years metroins Nov 2016 #29

Every time she "addressed," the MEDIA piled on--they're admitting this in MADem Nov 2016 #30

Not the media's fault metroins Nov 2016 #31

Are you KIDDING? "Not the media's fault?" MADem Nov 2016 #33

Because they're not required to metroins Nov 2016 #35

For decades you have been "carefully taught" by that media to hate her. MADem Nov 2016 #41

I don't hate her, I like Hillary metroins Nov 2016 #44

"Blaming external sources for your failure is bad practice." MADem Nov 2016 #50

When it's theft, protect yourself more nt metroins Nov 2016 #52

I think Vladimir reached his high water mark. MADem Nov 2016 #57

Well that makes me feel somewhat better. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #61

I'd like to OriginalGeek Nov 2016 #91

Chuck Schumer didn't just fall off the turnip truck. MADem Nov 2016 #99

Bernie apparently doesn't think race and gender are the most defining factors ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #16

Kellyann has already used Bernie's identity comment. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #19

I also think there are a lot of kind of well meaning leftists forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #20

And that is completely ridculous for them to think that. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #23

Tulsi Gabbard is an Islamophobe. MADem Nov 2016 #42

Yeah she will. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #63

An appalling number of those "leftists" were racists and misogynists Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #45

That is because he is a 1960s New Left Marxist. duffyduff Nov 2016 #38

Bingo Maru Kitteh Nov 2016 #46

Angela Davis is a Marxist. Ken Burch Nov 2016 #51

It disqualifies her from "being a serious candidate for the Presidency." MADem Nov 2016 #100

How do you not see that that comment is based on the premise kcr Nov 2016 #32

He is a 1960s New Left Marxist. It has never left him. duffyduff Nov 2016 #37

I'm closer to the Marxist Left but I am well aware we have intersectionality issues to work out forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #47

Yes! ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #56

It is all about easy sexual access with the left dudes. You nailed it. duffyduff Nov 2016 #68

The issue is women's autonomy, women are their own persons who make their own decisions forjusticethunders Nov 2016 #75

Those early writings are certainly a clue. nt MADem Nov 2016 #96

I am madly in love with your comments. Thank you! betsuni Nov 2016 #114

I am not okay with how Bernie has behaved post-election. Really childish. Justice Nov 2016 #43

He did say it -- I saw the video in this thread. That said: Raine1967 Nov 2016 #54

Oh, let's beat up on Bernie. THAT'LL end divisiveness. Yep. Sure. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #58

Bernard is the one who offered to work with Trump and gave the speech. Demsrule86 Nov 2016 #64

No. Let's be honest about what he is, and what he is not. MADem Nov 2016 #101

"racists and sexists:" From what I hear on DU, there are plenty right here, whatever the class. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #103

What "common good" can be achieved from normalizing a racist/sexist by working with them? MADem Nov 2016 #104

So I take it your answer is "no." Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #105

This is not a "Peace in our time" moment. MADem Nov 2016 #107

Ah, the "Trump camp." Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #109

You seriously think Trump is going to give you health care for all??? MADem Nov 2016 #115

No he won't; that is your fanciful take. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #116

Not one with the power of the executive. MADem Nov 2016 #117

Well, that leaves the path clear: Work with his voting base. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #118

If his voting base margins come from Moscow, let's just reveal that. MADem Nov 2016 #119

I would agree with your proposal, but it wouldn't come near matching 40+ millions. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #121

Margins--not the whole magilla. MADem Nov 2016 #123

Best way to overcome that is to shoot even higher and get bigger margins. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #124

What we need to do is work hard to overcome the only game (besides MADem Nov 2016 #125

It was something of a political moonshot. forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #131

Sanders is correct HassleCat Nov 2016 #82

Often identity politics is a turnstile of approval, not a path to policy and action. Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #106

yeh, who needs civil rights, amirite? robbedvoter Nov 2016 #110

We need them HassleCat Nov 2016 #112

Who? nt LexVegas Nov 2016 #90

He's been saying the same thing in various ways for years ecstatic Nov 2016 #92

They got their asses kicked by freaking Donald Trump ... and WE are still the ones who are wrong? nt ieoeja Nov 2016 #102

Well, this presages a looming battle within the Party... Eleanors38 Nov 2016 #111

I don't give a flying shit what Bernie says. Lil Missy Nov 2016 #113

Am I missing something? Kentonio Nov 2016 #120

Here's a fuller excerpt from Sanders's speech, with some context. lapucelle Nov 2016 #126