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Octafish

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36. Thank you for explaining in detail. My concern regards the same US government.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 03:55 PM
Apr 2016

The people who call the shots don't do it in the sunlight.

Here's their argument for privatizing Social Security:

[font color="green"]By providing a much higher rate of return, privatization would raise the incomes of those elderly retirees who are most in need. [/font color]

Cato Institute: http://www.cato.org/publications/social-security-choice-paper/privatizing-social-security-big-boost-poor


My analysis from 2007:

Know your BFEE: Spawn of Wall Street and the Third Reich

BTW: (That was before the crash and resultant rip-off to Switzerland, micromanaged personally by Phil Gramm, the Meyer Lansky of the War Party.)

Members of the Bush Family Evil Empire -- the public face of the War Party that has hijacked America -- embody the spawn of the Fourth Reich and Wall Street.



Warmonger by John Carroll.

Like the NAZI gangster warmongers they are, the BFEE's "work" serves only to enrich their cronies and their "actions" penure, enslave and kill innocent people.

How they got that way:



Allen Dulles, the NAZIs, and the CIA

By Cory Panshin
March 2005

Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg once stated that "The Dulles brothers were traitors." Some historians believe that Allen Dulles became head of the newly formed CIA in large part to cover up his treasonous behavior and that of his clients.

-- Christian Dewar, Making a Killing

Just before his death, James Jesus Angleton, the legendary chief of counterintelligence at the Central Intelligence Agency, was a bitter man. He felt betrayed by the people he had worked for all his life. In the end, he had come to realize that they were never really interested in American ideals of "freedom" and "democracy." They really only wanted "absolute power."

Angleton told author Joseph Trento that the reason he had gotten the counterintelligence job in the first place was by agreeing not to submit "sixty of Allen Dulles' closest friends" to a polygraph test concerning their business deals with the Nazis. In his end-of-life despair, Angleton assumed that he would see all his old companions again "in hell."

-- Michael Hasty, Paranoid Shift


EXCERPT…

Allen Welsh Dulles was born to privilege and a tradition of public service. He was the grandson of one secretary of state and the nephew of another. But by the time he graduated from Princeton in 1914, the robber baron era of American history was coming to an an end, ushered out by the Sherman Anti-Trust Act -- which had been used in 1911 to break up Standard Oil -- and by the institution of the progressive income tax in 1913. The ruling elite was starting to view government less as their own private preserve and more as an unwanted intrusion on their ability to conduct business as usual. That shift of loyalties in itself may account for many of the paradoxical aspects of Dulles's career.

Dulles entered the diplomatic service after college and served as a State Department delegate to the Paris Peace Conference of 1919, which brought a formal end to World War I. The Versailles Treaty which came out of this conference included a provision making it illegal to sell arms to Germany. This displeased the powerful DuPont family, and they put pressure on the delegates to allow them to opt out. It was Allen Dulles who finally gave them the assurances they wanted that their transactions with Germany would be "winked at."

Dulles remained a diplomat through the early 1920's, spending part of that time in Berlin. However, he left government service in 1926 for the greener pastures of private business, becoming a Wall Street lawyer with the same firm as his older brother, John Foster Dulles.

By the middle 20's, Germany had started recovering from the effects of the war and its postwar economic collapse, and the great German industrial firms were looking like attractive investment opportunities for wealthy Americans. W.A. Harriman & Co., formed in 1919 by Averell Harriman (son of railroad baron E.H. Hariman) and George Herbert Walker, had led the way in directing American money to German companies and had opened a Berlin branch as early as 1922, when Germany was still in chaos. At that time, Averell Harriman traveled to Europe and made contact with the powerful Thyssen family of steel magnates. It was to be a long-lasting and fateful partnership.

CONTINUED…

http://www.enter.net/~torve/trogholm/secret/rightroots/...



How they stay that way:



The CIA and Nazi War Criminals

National Security Archive Posts Secret CIA History
Released Under Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act


National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 146

Edited by Tamara Feinstein

February 4, 2005

Washington D.C., February 4, 2005 - Today the National Security Archive posted the CIA's secret documentary history of the U.S government's relationship with General Reinhard Gehlen, the German army's intelligence chief for the Eastern Front during World War II. At the end of the war, Gehlen established a close relationship with the U.S. and successfully maintained his intelligence network (it ultimately became the West German BND) even though he employed numerous former Nazis and known war criminals. The use of Gehlen's group, according to the CIA history, Forging an Intelligence Partnership: CIA and the Origins of the BND, 1945-49, was a "double edged sword" that "boosted the Warsaw Pact's propaganda efforts" and "suffered devastating penetrations by the KGB."

The declassified "SECRET RelGER" two-volume history was compiled by CIA historian Kevin Ruffner and presented in 1999 by CIA Deputy Director for Operations Jack Downing to the German intelligence service (Bundesnachrichtendienst) in remembrance of "the new and close ties" formed during post-war Germany to mark the fiftieth year of CIA-West German cooperation. This history was declassified in 2002 as a result of the work of The Nazi War Crimes and Japanese Imperial Government Records Interagency Working Group (IWG) and contains 97 key documents from various agencies.

This posting comes in the wake of public grievances lodged by members of the IWG that the CIA has not fully complied with the mandate of the Nazi War Crimes Disclosure Act and is continuing to withhold hundreds of thousands of pages of documentation related to their work. (Note 1) In interviews with the New York Times, three public members of the IWG said:

• "I think that the CIA has defied the law, and in so doing has also trivialized the Holocaust, thumbed its nose at the survivors of the Holocaust and also at the Americans who gave their lives in the effort to defeat the Nazis in World War II." - Former congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman

• "I can only say that the posture the CIA has taken differs from all the other agencies that have been involved, and that's not a position we can accept." - Washington lawyer Richard Ben-Veniste

• "Too much has been secret for too long. The CIA has not complied with the statute." - Former federal prosecutor Thomas H. Baer


The IWG was established in January 11, 1999 and has overseen the declassification of about eight million pages of documents from multiple government agencies. Its mandate expires at the end of March 2005.

CONTINUED w LINKS…

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB146/index.htm



Who would want that NAZI records law to be ignored?



Here’s where the Bush Crime Family comes in:



Nazis and Bush family history:

Government investigated Bush family's financing of Hitler

By Carla Binion
December 21, 2000

This article on Nazis in the Republican party was originally published in Online Journal on 1/28/00. However, the following includes additional information regarding George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott, and his maternal grandfather, George Herbert (Bert) Walker, and the fact that the U. S. government investigated their financing of Adolf Hitler.

One book referenced here, Christopher Simpson's "Blowback," was praised by journalist Seymour Hersh as "the ultimate book about the worst kind of cold war thinking." Nora Levin, Director, Holocaust Archive, Gratz College, said "The full story of this country's shameful, cynical collaboration with Nazi criminals has not been told until now with the publication of Simpson's book." Congresswoman Elizabeth Holtzman said, 'Blowback' is a must read for anyone who wants to understand postwar policy on Nazi war criminals and the cold war."

In another Simpson book, "The Splendid Blonde Beast," the author wrote about George H. W. Bush's father, Prescott, and his maternal grandfather, George Herbert Walker. Both Bert Walker and Prescott Bush were powerful financial supporters of Adolf Hitler.

Walker was president of Union Banking Corporation, a firm that traded with Germany and helped German industrialists consolidate Hitler's political power. Simpson says Union Banking became a Nazi money-laundering machine.

Walker helped take over North American operations of Hamburg-Amerika Line, a shipping line and cover for I. G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the U. S. Hamburg-Amerika smuggled in German agents, and brought in money for bribing American politicians to support Hitler. A 1934 congressional investigation showed Hamburg-Amerika subsidized Nazi propaganda efforts in the U. S.

CONTINUED…

http://www.govsux.com/nazisandbushfamilyhistory.html



Gee. A certain class of people seem to benefit most from war. Here's a treasure trove of treason history:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/nazi.html



The class Allen Dulles and Prescott Bush worked for. And the Bushes worked for THEM.

In answer to a question during his press conference of Feb. 14, 2007, Gov. George W Bush said: “Money trumps peace.”





Q: A lot of our allies in Europe do a lot of business with Iran. So I wonder what your thoughts are about how you further tighten the financial pressure on Iran, in particular, if it also means economic pain for a lot of our allies.

BUSH: It's an interesting question. One of the problems, not specifically on this issue, just in general, that - let's put it this way: Money trumps peace, sometimes.

In other words, commercial interests are very powerful interests throughout the world. And part of the issue in convincing people to put sanctions on a specific country is to convince them that it's in the world's interest that they forego their own financial interest.

And that's why sometimes it's tough to get tough economic sanctions on countries, and I'm not making any comment about any particular country, but you touched on a very interesting point.

You know - so, therefore, we're constantly working with nations to convince them that what really matters in the long run is to have the environment so peace can flourish.

In the Iranian case, I firmly believe that, if they were to have a weapon, it would make it difficult for peace to flourish, and therefore I am working with people to make sure that that concern trumps whatever commercial interests may be preventing governments from acting.

I make no specific accusation with that statement. It's a broad statement. But it's an accurate assessment of what sometimes can halt multilateral diplomacy from working.

SOURCE: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=24507



“Money trumps peace.”



That does explain a lot. “Money trumps peace.”
In fact, that explains everything about everything in regards to the BFEE and their cronies in the War Party.
To them, money and power are everything.
Isn’t that the definition of a warmonger?
It also is the spirit of a NAZI.

The only thing that can stop them from becoming the Fourth Reich is...



... the Truth and We the People.

The above is an OP from way back

Here's Pruneface Reagan and Richard the Crook enjoying the company of Glenn Seaborg and a bunch of swells at the Bohemian Grove in NoCal.



The BFEE works to keep wars going so the money keeps flowing to those who think they "deserve it." In the process, they've accomplished what not even Ian Fleming dared dream, hijacking the US government for personal gain.

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CIA, Nixon, Kissinger & Chicago Boys privatized social security in Chile Octafish Apr 2016 #3
Everyone should read up on 'The Chicago Boys'...it's important. haikugal Apr 2016 #11
Much of what gets decided economically & politically, not just national defense, gets done in secret Octafish Apr 2016 #37
Read Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine" for one. jwirr Apr 2016 #46
Yes that's a good one... haikugal Apr 2016 #49
Agreed! The Shock Doctrine Treatise treats This Nonsense Well...So If the Other Night's Festivities CorporatistNation Apr 2016 #58
You know who HATES Naomi Klein? Octafish Apr 2016 #89
And there is no sane or valid reason to believe Hillary wouldn't do this. With the happy djean111 Apr 2016 #2
Pete Peterson certainly seems interested in her political career. Octafish Apr 2016 #18
I wonder if openness to privatizing SS Califonz Apr 2016 #92
That would sure as hell piss me off if true. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #101
in case you bernie people missed it.. chillfactor Apr 2016 #4
The desperation is at freeper levels now workinclasszero Apr 2016 #6
Yes it is. Popegate has caused many Hillarians to lose their shit lately. cui bono Apr 2016 #56
And Hillary had no influence on public policy. chascarrillo Apr 2016 #14
History is important - We sure as hell don't want a repeat of a CLinton Admin Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #17
+10 appalachiablue Apr 2016 #99
We are not the ones grasping at straws. Those who do not remember history are doomed to djean111 Apr 2016 #20
In case you missed it -- Hillary said Bill would be a trusted economic advisor Armstead Apr 2016 #53
No however he did call Hillary his co-president are you saying she will not reciprocate? azurnoir Apr 2016 #93
You sure you want to use CounterPunch as a source? workinclasszero Apr 2016 #5
Ideas don't scare me. Octafish Apr 2016 #10
Another excellent OP full of facts and history, thank you and K&R /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #7
The Pact Between Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich Octafish Apr 2016 #32
Thanks again for expansion of the truth, I love when you respond that way /nt Dragonfli Apr 2016 #33
when social security is tossed on the bonfire reddread Apr 2016 #8
I tried to GOOGLE that once. Octafish Apr 2016 #34
They will eat it up. BlindTiresias Apr 2016 #80
Oh so that's what they mean by incremental change! I thought that's what I've been experiencing highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #9
The Shocking Redistribution of Wealth in the Past Five Years Octafish Apr 2016 #95
K&R! Another big thanks! haikugal Apr 2016 #12
That's a boldface lie ... Onlooker Apr 2016 #13
''Erskine, I want you to know that this story is not true.'' -- Bill Clinton Octafish Apr 2016 #31
K and R! The truth needs to be known. bbgrunt Apr 2016 #15
''What would GOLDMAN think?'' -- Larry Summers Octafish Apr 2016 #40
And poor Monica paid a very high price arikara Apr 2016 #16
Thank you, arikara. Hers is an outstanding presentation detailing cyberbullying... Octafish Apr 2016 #23
I agree that the media treated her horribly. And her friend betrayed her. Gomez163 Apr 2016 #26
Thank you so much for posting that... TeeYiYi Apr 2016 #38
That was a good talk... ljm2002 Apr 2016 #105
Kick, and keep kicking! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #19
Larry Summers and the Secret ''End-Game'' Memo Octafish Apr 2016 #45
K&R. I remember hating the "New Democrats" at the time Overseas Apr 2016 #21
Invisible War by Economic Fascism Octafish Apr 2016 #48
I am definitely war weary. So many of us are. That explains a lot of Bernie's surge. Overseas Apr 2016 #76
For those reasons, I think Bernie's gonna win. Octafish Apr 2016 #77
K&R. Beautiful video message! Overseas Apr 2016 #78
Isn't that cool? Octafish Apr 2016 #79
Yes! I'm gonna watch it again! Overseas Apr 2016 #84
K&R for the Salon list too. Overseas Apr 2016 #81
I don't understand the problem of privatizing Social Security WhenTheLeveeBreaks Apr 2016 #22
Next time the stock market crashes and doesn't wipe out your retirement, you'll understand. Octafish Apr 2016 #25
My calculation is different from yours WhenTheLeveeBreaks Apr 2016 #30
Thank you for explaining in detail. My concern regards the same US government. Octafish Apr 2016 #36
I asked the question after 2008 if SS had been privatized, how much of the Trust Fund would have Samantha Apr 2016 #41
Many retired or just about to retire people lost big in the 2008 crash arikara Apr 2016 #35
I don't think the correct term is "privatized" WhenTheLeveeBreaks Apr 2016 #43
Then why change it? arikara Apr 2016 #50
Okay. But answer me one question: The markets crash and jwirr Apr 2016 #47
So wall street can take 30% of it like they do with healthcare? Doctor_J Apr 2016 #52
That article doesn't even go far enough on Bill Clinton and SS privatization BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #24
Bill and Newt came to a working ''Agreement''... Octafish Apr 2016 #61
Bill Clinton was and is a scumbag on so many levels. Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #27
UBS Wealth Management Octafish Apr 2016 #97
This is worth another kick and a special request blast from the past with a message. bobthedrummer Apr 2016 #28
Love that song! vintx Apr 2016 #42
The Lies of Neoliberal Economics (or How America Became a Nation of Sharecroppers) Octafish Apr 2016 #63
Old blue eyes in that context and picture, Sir, made me laugh albeit knowingly-thanks bobthedrummer Apr 2016 #85
White House dining companion with the late First Lady Nancy Reagan. Octafish Apr 2016 #86
Instead we've got perception manager George Stephanopoulos, and the Pentagon Entertainment Network bobthedrummer Apr 2016 #87
yes, and did not know that he continued Reagan's plan to means test it w/ heavy taxation: amborin Apr 2016 #29
One's gotta be a lawyer and a CPA to understand all the stuff -- except the politics. Octafish Apr 2016 #67
K&R nt magical thyme Apr 2016 #39
Is Hillary open to Raising SS Retirement Age? Octafish Apr 2016 #88
I believe she's also open to making it means-based magical thyme Apr 2016 #90
Monica Lewinsky is a true American hero for saving SS! jfern Apr 2016 #44
we are not in their club SoLeftIAmRight Apr 2016 #51
It is undemocratic, to include those with money and exclude those without it. Octafish Apr 2016 #96
This is like the Weekly World News thread MattP Apr 2016 #54
Please feel free to post the first thing you find in error. Octafish Apr 2016 #65
HRC Is Owned By The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - Make No Mistake About Her Loyalties cantbeserious Apr 2016 #55
Neil Barofsky Gave Us The Best Explanation For Washington's Dysfunction We've Ever Heard Octafish Apr 2016 #103
Clinton was talking about using the budget surplus, investing a small portion in the private sector BlueStateLib Apr 2016 #57
That would have been great. Octafish Apr 2016 #100
K & R AzDar Apr 2016 #59
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Shit article, opens with slut shaming the victim. Will not read past that. apnu Apr 2016 #62
Guess you miss out on a lot of stuff that's important to learn. Octafish Apr 2016 #64
I don't need to learn it, I lived through it. apnu Apr 2016 #66
No, you got a lot to learn*. Octafish Apr 2016 #68
Yes you do. apnu Apr 2016 #69
Show where, otherwise that's just your smear. Octafish Apr 2016 #70
Read my original post. apnu Apr 2016 #71
Manufactured outrage from you doesn't change the facts, though. Octafish Apr 2016 #72
You can't figure it out on your own? apnu Apr 2016 #73
None of that is slut shaming, though, is it? Octafish Apr 2016 #75
Hilarious BlindTiresias Apr 2016 #82
K&R for an important subject. senz Apr 2016 #74
No surprise given the other crap he pulled Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #83
I had totally forgotten that. Let's hear it for Monica! Vinca Apr 2016 #91
So in a sense, I was saved by a cigar. JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #94
What a bunch of bs. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #98
bump silvershadow Apr 2016 #102
Hillary is going to come in and finish the Job! WDIM Apr 2016 #104
Kick! senz Apr 2016 #106
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