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In reply to the discussion: Bill Clinton was going to privatize Social Security until, uh, Fate stopped him. [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)32. The Pact Between Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich
Two powerful foes secretly plot to reform Social Security and Medicare.
In the evening of Oct. 28, 1997, House Speaker Newt Gingrich headed to the White House to meet with President Bill Clinton, ostensibly to hammer out final details of the 1998 budget. In reality, Gingrich and Clinton were putting finishing touches on a deal to create a centrist political coalition to fix long-term problems facing Social Security and Medicare. In his new book, The Pact: Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich, and the Rivalry That Defined a Generation, Steven Gillon, resident historian of the History Channel and a professor of history at the University of Oklahoma, reveals the behind-the-scenes machinations that led to the meeting and how the potentially historic effort was derailed in an instant by the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
U.S. News & World Report, May 29, 2008
While there were dozens of reform plans circulating around Washington, ranging from minor tinkering to radical overhaul, there was a growing consensus around "middle ground'' proposals that combined some structural changes in the retirement age with some form of private accounts. There were also hopeful signs that the public was ready for a serious discussion about Social Security reform. An August 1997 survey by Clinton pollster Mark Penn found that 73 percent of Democratic voters favored some form of privatization, and support was especially strong among younger workers. Independent polls also showed that many young people believed that without significant change the programs would not be able to provide for them in their old age.
SNIP...
The real problems would be on Capitol Hill, however, where the president's efforts would once again pit him against the leadership of his own party in the House. Relations between the parties were more cordial, less partisan in the Senate, making it easier to build a centrist coalition of Democrats and Republicans. In the House, Clinton hoped to bypass the party's liberal leadership and reassemble the coalition of suburban "New Democrats,'' who tended to be socially liberal but fiscally conservative, and "Blue Dogs,'' largely rural, southern conservative Democrats, who passed the balanced budget bill.
Despite being pushed by the two most powerful political figures in America, a massive overhaul of Social Security would be an uphill fight. Clinton always said that he needed at least 100 Democratic votes in the House to support a bill. Could he muster that many votes on an issue as controversial as Social Security? Could Gingrich, who had already suffered one rebellion and seen his hold on power seriously eroded, bring along enough moderate Republicans to seal the deal? All the key playersClinton, Gingrich, Bowles, White House congressional liaison John Hilley, and Bill Archerwere cautiously optimistic. ''It wasn't crazy for them to think that if they could do the impossible and pass welfare reform and the balanced budget bill, they could do Social Security,'' reflected Bruce Reed, the president's chief domestic policy adviser.
The plan was for Clinton to make his bold initiative for reforming Social Security and Medicare the centerpiece of his State of the Union address in January 1998. Gingrich would follow the president's speech by making positive comments about the initiative. He would then ask Archer's Ways and Means Committee to make specific recommendations. Both sides would try to keep the issue off the table in the 1998 congressional elections, before pushing it through a lame-duck Congress in December. The president asked the American Association of Retired Persons and the Concord Coalition, an influential lobbying group that advocated fiscal discipline, to organize four regional forums to discuss the issue. The national ''dialogue'' would conclude with a White House conference on Social Security in December 1998the same time that Congress would be voting on a reform proposal.
Just weeks before the State of the Union address, the administration started signaling that it would support some form of privatization. ''Given that we have to work with the Republicans, it's hard to see a plan passing without some individual account piece,'' a Clinton adviser told Business Week. Gingrich revealed his hand in a speech at a local Cobb County event. The goal was to strike a bipartisan note while positioning himself to come out in favor of Clinton's Social Security agenda. "There's no crisis, but there's a long, steady problem unless we invent a better model,'' he said.
SNIP...
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/05/29/the-pact-between-bill-clinton-and-newt-gingrich?page=4
PS: You are most welcome, Dragonfli. I very much appreciate you grokking -- and standing up against the hypocrisy and all the rest.
In the evening of Oct. 28, 1997, House Speaker Newt Gingrich headed to the White House to meet with President Bill Clinton, ostensibly to hammer out final details of the 1998 budget. In reality, Gingrich and Clinton were putting finishing touches on a deal to create a centrist political coalition to fix long-term problems facing Social Security and Medicare. In his new book, The Pact: Bill Clinton, Newt Gingrich, and the Rivalry That Defined a Generation, Steven Gillon, resident historian of the History Channel and a professor of history at the University of Oklahoma, reveals the behind-the-scenes machinations that led to the meeting and how the potentially historic effort was derailed in an instant by the Monica Lewinsky scandal.
U.S. News & World Report, May 29, 2008
While there were dozens of reform plans circulating around Washington, ranging from minor tinkering to radical overhaul, there was a growing consensus around "middle ground'' proposals that combined some structural changes in the retirement age with some form of private accounts. There were also hopeful signs that the public was ready for a serious discussion about Social Security reform. An August 1997 survey by Clinton pollster Mark Penn found that 73 percent of Democratic voters favored some form of privatization, and support was especially strong among younger workers. Independent polls also showed that many young people believed that without significant change the programs would not be able to provide for them in their old age.
SNIP...
The real problems would be on Capitol Hill, however, where the president's efforts would once again pit him against the leadership of his own party in the House. Relations between the parties were more cordial, less partisan in the Senate, making it easier to build a centrist coalition of Democrats and Republicans. In the House, Clinton hoped to bypass the party's liberal leadership and reassemble the coalition of suburban "New Democrats,'' who tended to be socially liberal but fiscally conservative, and "Blue Dogs,'' largely rural, southern conservative Democrats, who passed the balanced budget bill.
Despite being pushed by the two most powerful political figures in America, a massive overhaul of Social Security would be an uphill fight. Clinton always said that he needed at least 100 Democratic votes in the House to support a bill. Could he muster that many votes on an issue as controversial as Social Security? Could Gingrich, who had already suffered one rebellion and seen his hold on power seriously eroded, bring along enough moderate Republicans to seal the deal? All the key playersClinton, Gingrich, Bowles, White House congressional liaison John Hilley, and Bill Archerwere cautiously optimistic. ''It wasn't crazy for them to think that if they could do the impossible and pass welfare reform and the balanced budget bill, they could do Social Security,'' reflected Bruce Reed, the president's chief domestic policy adviser.
The plan was for Clinton to make his bold initiative for reforming Social Security and Medicare the centerpiece of his State of the Union address in January 1998. Gingrich would follow the president's speech by making positive comments about the initiative. He would then ask Archer's Ways and Means Committee to make specific recommendations. Both sides would try to keep the issue off the table in the 1998 congressional elections, before pushing it through a lame-duck Congress in December. The president asked the American Association of Retired Persons and the Concord Coalition, an influential lobbying group that advocated fiscal discipline, to organize four regional forums to discuss the issue. The national ''dialogue'' would conclude with a White House conference on Social Security in December 1998the same time that Congress would be voting on a reform proposal.
Just weeks before the State of the Union address, the administration started signaling that it would support some form of privatization. ''Given that we have to work with the Republicans, it's hard to see a plan passing without some individual account piece,'' a Clinton adviser told Business Week. Gingrich revealed his hand in a speech at a local Cobb County event. The goal was to strike a bipartisan note while positioning himself to come out in favor of Clinton's Social Security agenda. "There's no crisis, but there's a long, steady problem unless we invent a better model,'' he said.
SNIP...
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2008/05/29/the-pact-between-bill-clinton-and-newt-gingrich?page=4
PS: You are most welcome, Dragonfli. I very much appreciate you grokking -- and standing up against the hypocrisy and all the rest.
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Bill Clinton was going to privatize Social Security until, uh, Fate stopped him. [View all]
Octafish
Apr 2016
OP
Much of what gets decided economically & politically, not just national defense, gets done in secret
Octafish
Apr 2016
#37
Agreed! The Shock Doctrine Treatise treats This Nonsense Well...So If the Other Night's Festivities
CorporatistNation
Apr 2016
#58
And there is no sane or valid reason to believe Hillary wouldn't do this. With the happy
djean111
Apr 2016
#2
History is important - We sure as hell don't want a repeat of a CLinton Admin
Ferd Berfel
Apr 2016
#17
We are not the ones grasping at straws. Those who do not remember history are doomed to
djean111
Apr 2016
#20
In case you missed it -- Hillary said Bill would be a trusted economic advisor
Armstead
Apr 2016
#53
No however he did call Hillary his co-president are you saying she will not reciprocate?
azurnoir
Apr 2016
#93
Thanks again for expansion of the truth, I love when you respond that way /nt
Dragonfli
Apr 2016
#33
Oh so that's what they mean by incremental change! I thought that's what I've been experiencing
highprincipleswork
Apr 2016
#9
Thank you, arikara. Hers is an outstanding presentation detailing cyberbullying...
Octafish
Apr 2016
#23
I am definitely war weary. So many of us are. That explains a lot of Bernie's surge.
Overseas
Apr 2016
#76
Next time the stock market crashes and doesn't wipe out your retirement, you'll understand.
Octafish
Apr 2016
#25
Thank you for explaining in detail. My concern regards the same US government.
Octafish
Apr 2016
#36
I asked the question after 2008 if SS had been privatized, how much of the Trust Fund would have
Samantha
Apr 2016
#41
That article doesn't even go far enough on Bill Clinton and SS privatization
BernieforPres2016
Apr 2016
#24
This is worth another kick and a special request blast from the past with a message.
bobthedrummer
Apr 2016
#28
The Lies of Neoliberal Economics (or How America Became a Nation of Sharecroppers)
Octafish
Apr 2016
#63
Old blue eyes in that context and picture, Sir, made me laugh albeit knowingly-thanks
bobthedrummer
Apr 2016
#85
Instead we've got perception manager George Stephanopoulos, and the Pentagon Entertainment Network
bobthedrummer
Apr 2016
#87
yes, and did not know that he continued Reagan's plan to means test it w/ heavy taxation:
amborin
Apr 2016
#29
One's gotta be a lawyer and a CPA to understand all the stuff -- except the politics.
Octafish
Apr 2016
#67
HRC Is Owned By The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks - Make No Mistake About Her Loyalties
cantbeserious
Apr 2016
#55
Neil Barofsky Gave Us The Best Explanation For Washington's Dysfunction We've Ever Heard
Octafish
Apr 2016
#103
Clinton was talking about using the budget surplus, investing a small portion in the private sector
BlueStateLib
Apr 2016
#57