2016 Postmortem

WhenTheLeveeBreaks

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30. My calculation is different from yours

Sat Apr 16, 2016, 12:48 PM

Apr 2016

In my calculation it is not historically or mathematically possible to come out behind. But, if in your calculation it is, I would leave your social security in t-bills.

Remember, the way retirement/social security works is not that you put all the money in on Day X and remove it all on Day Y. You put it in over time and withdraw it over time. Your losing money scenario has never, ever happened. To tell you the truth, I have more faith in a decentralized system rather than the full faith and credit of the US government. The world will need wheat well beyond the US government's ability to pay its debts.

I'm not saying you can't leave your social security public, what I asking why can't I have choices.

Remember, anybody who is relying exclusively on social security for retirement is going to be in for a very large shock. Maybe once upon a time it was possible, but no longer.

BTW, I wouldn't have a problem if the rule was that when you reach 60, 100% has to be in t-bills or a minimum has to be in t-bills and that percentage grows as you age.

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