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Fortinbras Armstrong

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28. "I prefer to at least try to see things as they really are rather than what I'd like them to be."
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 08:31 AM
Jul 2013

Keep telling yourself that, since, you appear to be seeing thing as they match your personal prejudices.

BTW, you want a liberal Biblical quotation from the Old Testament, how about Isaiah 58

Shout out, do not hold back!
Lift up your voice like a trumpet!
Announce to my people their rebellion,
to the house of Jacob their sins.
Yet day after day they seek me
and delight to know my ways,
as if they were a nation that practised righteousness
and did not forsake the ordinance of their God;
they ask of me righteous judgements,
they delight to draw near to God.
‘Why do we fast, but you do not see?
Why humble ourselves, but you do not notice?’
Look, you serve your own interest on your fast-day,
and oppress all your workers.
Look, you fast only to quarrel and to fight
and to strike with a wicked fist.
Such fasting as you do today
will not make your voice heard on high.
Is such the fast that I choose,
a day to humble oneself?
Is it to bow down the head like a bulrush,
and to lie in sackcloth and ashes?
Will you call this a fast,
a day acceptable to the Lord?

Is not this the fast that I choose:
to loose the bonds of injustice,
to undo the thongs of the yoke,
to let the oppressed go free,
and to break every yoke?
Is it not to share your bread with the hungry,
and bring the homeless poor into your house;
when you see the naked, to cover them,
and not to hide yourself from your own kin?
Then your light shall break forth like the dawn,
and your healing shall spring up quickly;
your vindicator shall go before you,
the glory of the Lord shall be your rearguard.
Then you shall call, and the Lord will answer;
you shall cry for help, and he will say, Here I am.

If you remove the yoke from among you,
the pointing of the finger, the speaking of evil,
if you offer your food to the hungry
and satisfy the needs of the afflicted,
then your light shall rise in the darkness
and your gloom be like the noonday.
The Lord will guide you continually,
and satisfy your needs in parched places,
and make your bones strong;
and you shall be like a watered garden,
like a spring of water,
whose waters never fail.
Your ancient ruins shall be rebuilt;
you shall raise up the foundations of many generations;
you shall be called the repairer of the breach,
the restorer of streets to live in.

If you refrain from trampling the sabbath,
from pursuing your own interests on my holy day;
if you call the sabbath a delight
and the holy day of the Lord honourable;
if you honour it, not going your own ways,
serving your own interests, or pursuing your own affairs;
then you shall take delight in the Lord,
and I will make you ride upon the heights of the earth;
I will feed you with the heritage of your ancestor Jacob,
for the mouth of the Lord has spoken.

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Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #1
Survey A Physicist Dec 2011 #2
I think it is referring to the amount of posts in the 2 different groups - Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2011 #4
Says all of what? I am agnostic and don't begrudge anyone their beliefs. geckosfeet Dec 2011 #3
Most religions do espouse liberal social agendas. AlbertCat Dec 2011 #5
Well, the religious texts themselves tend to be liberal Muskypundit Dec 2011 #6
the religious texts themselves tend to be liberal AlbertCat Dec 2011 #7
Well which others ones would you consider the major world religions? Muskypundit Dec 2011 #9
Not to make this a religious debate, but how do you tell the difference... Humanist_Activist Dec 2011 #18
But, i LOVE religious debates! I am jewish, remember? Muskypundit Dec 2011 #19
So you make it up as you go along? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2011 #21
Yes. Just like life. Muskypundit Dec 2011 #22
Yeah. That's what we do. Critters2 Dec 2011 #26
Girard likes to say "Jesus is our interpretive lens" nt Critters2 Dec 2011 #23
See, that just illuminates my problem with religion in general... Humanist_Activist Dec 2011 #24
Oh, great. Now we get criticized for discussing our faith in a group supposedly dedicated to our Critters2 Dec 2011 #25
"I prefer to at least try to see things as they really are rather than what I'd like them to be." Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2013 #28
There are many Roman Catholic priests who also hold PhDs in astrophysics and biology WildEyedLiberal Dec 2011 #10
Good points all. And for the religious institutions generally true. I do think community based geckosfeet Dec 2011 #11
You're basing your view of the population on group activity? darkstar3 Dec 2011 #8
I'm just posting because I'm interested in keeping this group going. JDPriestly Dec 2011 #12
I'm a UU JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #13
Maybe we should have a UU group? JDPriestly Dec 2011 #15
Woo hoo! JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #17
That's only because we curl up and allow its. Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #14
if you have taken a look at r/t in DU 2 or religion in DU 3 Thats my opinion Dec 2011 #16
I've found the religion forum to be rather dull so far. Leontius Dec 2011 #20
woo hoo make it twenty one! refrescanos Jul 2013 #27
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