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In reply to the discussion: On the question of free will and pre-determination, [View all]MineralMan
(149,673 posts)27. I read that book long, long ago.
Skinner had a particular perspective on things. His is, however, not the only perspective. B.F. Skinner was an odd duck, in my opinion, and is not the be-all and end-all of psychological theory.
Here's what Noam Chomsky thought of him:
Noam Chomsky, a prominent critic of Skinner, published a review of Skinner's Verbal Behavior two years after it was published.[78] Chomsky argued that Skinner's attempt to use behaviorism to explain human language amounted to little more than word games. Conditioned responses could not account for a child's ability to create or understand an infinite variety of novel sentences. Chomsky's review has been credited with launching the cognitive revolution in psychology and other disciplines. Skinner, who rarely responded directly to critics, never formally replied to Chomsky's critique. Many years later, Kenneth MacCorquodale's reply was endorsed by Skinner.[79]
Chomsky also reviewed Skinner's Beyond Freedom and Dignity, using the same basic motives as his Verbal Behavior review. Among Chomsky's criticisms were that Skinner's laboratory work could not be extended to humans, that when it was extended to humans it represented 'scientistic' behavior attempting to emulate science but which was not scientific, that Skinner was not a scientist because he rejected the hypothetico-deductive model of theory testing, and that Skinner had no science of behavior.[80]
Chomsky also reviewed Skinner's Beyond Freedom and Dignity, using the same basic motives as his Verbal Behavior review. Among Chomsky's criticisms were that Skinner's laboratory work could not be extended to humans, that when it was extended to humans it represented 'scientistic' behavior attempting to emulate science but which was not scientific, that Skinner was not a scientist because he rejected the hypothetico-deductive model of theory testing, and that Skinner had no science of behavior.[80]
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If you punish them, it changes their behavior, it doesn't matter if they have free will or not
marylandblue
Nov 2018
#20
So if we can't tell the difference between a deterministic universe and indeterministic one
marylandblue
Nov 2018
#13
My point is that there is no meaningful definition of free will that can be derived from physics
marylandblue
Nov 2018
#19
a few years back my niece had to read Beyond Freedom and Dignity by BF Skinner for her masters degre
Kurt V.
Nov 2018
#26
skinner was a humble person. he was asking scientist to treat human behavior as a science.
Kurt V.
Nov 2018
#28
right. so where does the internal disposition come from. a lifetime of experiences.
Kurt V.
Nov 2018
#47