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sarisataka

(21,804 posts)
10. Unfortunately, your quest is futile due to physics
Mon Feb 10, 2025, 12:25 PM
Feb 2025

A gun launches a projectile of x weight at yvelocity with a kinetic energy of z.

It does not matter if the force used to launch the projectile is compressed air, as it a BB gun, or gas from burning gunpowder in a firearm. if you increase either the velocity or weight you get more energy i.e. the potential to cause more damage.

Most BB guns put out only a few foot pounds (ft/lb) of energy, they can break the skin but likely no life threatening injury
Hunting air weapons are more in the 20-30 (ft/lb) range. They can kill if they hit a vulnerable spot.
The .25 ACP, one of the weakest firearm cartridges, has around 65 ft/lb.
For comparison the 9mm has around 320 ft/lb and the .223 from an AR-15 is around 1175 ft/lb.
A .30-06 hunting rifle has 2900 ft/lbs give or take.

The Army considers 58 ft/lbs to be lethal although 53 ft/lbs can penetrate the skull.

You may think it is the velocity that makes firearms more deadly however good air guns can exceed 1000 feet per second which is as fast or greater than many pistols. It is the weight of the projectiles that firearms can push out. BBs weigh near 5gr, air gun pellets about 8gr. Firearm bullets vary for each caliber but for an average, a .25 ACP weighs 45gr and a 9mm 115gr.

That was a lot of words to say anything that has more impact is more likely to be lethal.

Unless you are prepared to risk killing someone in self-defense, I would suggest staying away from any solid projectile weapon.

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4 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

I doubt this is possible DemMedic Feb 2025 #1
Pellet weapons can be deadly. Lewis and Clark multigraincracker Feb 2025 #2
When you say deterrence, do you mean hurting someone? WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2025 #3
Yes. Maybe the term is neutralize, but not kill... OneGrassRoot Feb 2025 #4
If you're going to be firing something, you should come to terms with the fact that any shot carries a risk of killing. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2025 #6
Okay, thank you. Honestly, I'm not as concerned about lethality against an attacker... OneGrassRoot Feb 2025 #7
Any bb or pellet gun that is useful for self defense is going to be lethal, like a hunting air rifle DetroitLegalBeagle Feb 2025 #5
Thank you all. I appreciate the replies. n/t OneGrassRoot Feb 2025 #8
My sister was shot through the arm by a pellet gun in the late 1950s. Sneederbunk Feb 2025 #9
Holy shit. n/t OneGrassRoot Feb 2025 #12
Unfortunately, your quest is futile due to physics sarisataka Feb 2025 #10
Google or search "Cheap Home Security". multigraincracker Feb 2025 #11
Yes... OneGrassRoot Feb 2025 #13
For "civil unrest", you should be prepared for a lethal scenario. yagotme Feb 2025 #14
Interesting. Thanks! n/t OneGrassRoot Feb 2025 #15
YW! yagotme Feb 2025 #16
Vehement concurrance! Billy Ruffian Jul 1 #19
I'd recommend being as informed as possible, best protection is based between your ears somsai Feb 2025 #17
Thank you for your thoughts... OneGrassRoot Feb 2025 #18
In every tactical training I have taken melm00se Jul 9 #20
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