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friendly_iconoclast

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50. Mere moral panic mongering, the likes of which we've seen before:
Wed Jan 2, 2019, 09:11 PM
Jan 2019

Last edited Thu Jan 3, 2019, 01:54 AM - Edit history (1)








Panic mongering is a vital part modern-day gun control advocacy:

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1172193622

Once again, the VPC hopes you are both easily frightened and poor at math

The Violence Policy Center has cranked up its evergreen moral panic
"Concealed Carry Killers"- and the gullible and doctrinaire fall for it:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22concealed+carry+killers%22&sitesearch=democraticunderground.com

http://www.democraticunderground.com/126210658

Concealed Carry Tragedies Include Workplace Shooting, Six-Year-Old Unintentionally Killing Father.

Washington, DC — Concealed handgun permit holders are responsible for at least 873 deaths not involving self defense since 2007, including 29 mass shootings that killed 139 people, ongoing VPC research shows. Since there is no comprehensive record keeping of fatal incidents involving concealed carry permit holders, this tally most likely represents a small fraction of the actual total.


I couldn't be arsed to look for any 2014 or 2015 screeds from them, so let's
look at one from 2013:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023118413

Research Details Hundreds of Examples of Innocent Lives Lost to “Concealed Carry Killers"


FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
June 27, 2013
3:18 PM
CONTACT: Violence Policy Center
Avery Palmer, 202-822-8200 x104, apalmer@vpc.org

As Zimmerman Case Begins, VPC Research Details Hundreds of Examples of Innocent Lives Lost to “Concealed Carry Killers

WASHINGTON - June 27 - Washington, DC— As the trial opens this week over the deadly shooting of Trayvon Martin, research shows that similar fatal incidents are shockingly common. The Violence Policy Center has uncovered hundreds of examples of non-self defense incidents involving private citizens legally allowed to carry concealed handguns. These incidents resulted in 516 deaths — including 24 mass shootings and the killing of 14 law enforcement officers.


Doing the math, and according to the VPC, concealed carriers are responsible for 357
deaths over the last three years, or 119 a year.
Lets stipulate, for the sake of this argument, that all of those deaths were murders
even if they were not.

Now comes the part where the wheels fall off the panic mongering.

The lowest estimate I can find for the number of concealed handgun permit holders
in the US is 11.1 million- other figures cited were a high of 12.8 million but
I'll stick with the low one. Taking that number, and using the numbers given by the
VPC, we see that 119/11100000 = a murder rate of 0.93 per 100,000 permit
holders, a rate about one-fifth of the US population as a whole

Source for US murder rate:

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-1

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/preliminary-semiannual-uniform-crime-report-januaryjune-2015/tables/table-3

Worse for the controllers, these numbers mean that those 'concealed carry killers'
kill at a lower rate than does the populations of the UK, France,
Australia (where have I heard that name recenly?), Ireland, Canada...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

http://rboatright.blogspot.com/2013/03/comparing-england-or-uk-murder-rates.html


and at par with Norway and Sweden





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thanks media, gejohnston Dec 2018 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Dec 2018 #2
My kids are adults, gejohnston Dec 2018 #3
This is all a load of distraction. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #5
Agreed; comparing guns to asbestos... is a distraction n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #6
Same profit motive--corporations wanting to sell deadly stuff to make money. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #9
re: "...corporations wanting to sell deadly stuff to make money." discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #12
Cool, you support asbestos AND guns! sharedvalues Dec 2018 #13
Cool, you can make stuff up discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #25
re: profit motive discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2019 #57
still not a valid argument gejohnston Dec 2018 #8
Republicans stopped govt from funding research sharedvalues Dec 2018 #10
not true either, gejohnston Dec 2018 #14
You're wrong. DU has discussed this at length sharedvalues Dec 2018 #15
That's nice, gejohnston Dec 2018 #17
Wrong. Read link above. Fewer guns, fewer dead kids. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #19
I've heard about some... discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Dec 2018 #16
don't have any, gejohnston Dec 2018 #18
Read the link above. Fewer guns, fewer deaths. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #20
From your link ... Straw Man Dec 2018 #22
Yup. You don't understand how the scientific method works. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #23
Do tell. Straw Man Dec 2018 #24
Read the article sharedvalues Dec 2018 #29
C'mon now. I read the article. Straw Man Dec 2018 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Dec 2018 #21
Good work. Canada is another good example sharedvalues Dec 2018 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Dec 2018 #33
Guns can be used for evil purposes or for good purposes. ... spin Dec 2018 #4
A gun is a simple tool discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #7
True. Guns can and are used to kill children. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #11
My daughter had recently graduated from high school ... spin Dec 2018 #31
Please read reply #1 guillaumeb Dec 2018 #28
Research on the number of times firearms are used for legitimate self defense is ... spin Dec 2018 #32
actually not true, gejohnston Dec 2018 #35
Dr. Arthur Kellerman, stated: discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2018 #38
But with those odds, that undercuts the reason many give for owning guns. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #27
It undercuts the need for cops, gejohnston Dec 2018 #34
Oh, this crap again. krispos42 Dec 2018 #36
What astounds me, gejohnston Dec 2018 #37
It's focusing on the hardware krispos42 Dec 2018 #40
No, I'd say you're just wrong. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #43
ad hoc logical fallacy gejohnston Jan 2019 #44
Non-sequitur fallacy. Truth: Fewer guns, fewer dead kids sharedvalues Jan 2019 #45
Wealth inequality gejohnston Jan 2019 #46
False: let's focus on Canada sharedvalues Jan 2019 #48
wrong about everything as usual gejohnston Jan 2019 #49
False. The truth--Canada: few handguns on streets, few deaths. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #54
ad hoc fallacy gejohnston Jan 2019 #55
Non sequitur fallacy. Fewer guns, fewer deaths. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #61
and you don't know gejohnston Jan 2019 #64
I'm sorry you're unaware of the definition of "non sequitur" sharedvalues Jan 2019 #66
I simply pointed out a gejohnston Jan 2019 #67
"Non sequitur": point that is irrelevant sharedvalues Jan 2019 #68
Nobody is advocating for kids getting killed. Straw Man Jan 2019 #69
The truth: Mexico:few guns on street (legally), many deaths. yagotme Jan 2019 #60
What evidence and/or proof do you have to back up this claim? oneshooter Dec 2018 #41
I suggest reading the article I linked. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #42
IOW, "I like this editorial, therefore it is accurate and you should simply accept my word for it" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2019 #71
Proper secured storage is a good thing. ManiacJoe Jan 2019 #47
Mere moral panic mongering, the likes of which we've seen before: friendly_iconoclast Jan 2019 #50
"Won't somebody *please* think of the children?" friendly_iconoclast Jan 2019 #51
Except: kids ARE getting killed. It's a fact. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #63
You're far from the first to sanctimoniously proclaim that you're trying to 'save' children... friendly_iconoclast Jan 2019 #70
As a gun owner, this is not a compelling argument. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #52
As a gun and ammo buyer, you're complicit in kid deaths sharedvalues Jan 2019 #53
i remember when teachers would use that logic about buying weed. aikoaiko Jan 2019 #56
The new Prohibitionists hate guns (on the L), and migrants (on the R) friendly_iconoclast Jan 2019 #59
That's fair: if you advocate for gun control you're doing good. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #62
I'm interested to know... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2019 #65
No feed for you, but bless your heart Alea Jan 2019 #58
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