Gun Control & RKBA

beevul

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14. Reading is fundamental, russel.

Reply to russ1943 (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 27, 2016, 01:36 PM

Feb 2016

I’m glad my actions betray my intentions, which clearly were an attempt to point out that at the very least you presented a distortion of known facts.

Are you accusing the CDC of distorting the facts? Pimping for the nra now are they?

Your OP “From the CDC...National vital statistics reports. Deaths: Final; data for 2013. The top 15 causes of death, in order, are::” and your comment that Shooting doesn't seem to make the top 15.

I'm pretty sure when the CDC says "cause" they mean "root cause", not "deaths by instrument".

I post that firearms deaths (shooting deaths) in that same report would be thirteenth on your unconnected list.

Its not my list, its the CDCs list.

You note that suicides and homicides have different causes. Duh………..So what?

And there you have it. "So what".

That some are unable to understand that suicide, homicide, unintentional, undetermined and legal intervention in CDC reports are subsets of firearms deaths is a mistake on their part, not mine.

Again, this list isn't death by instrument, its death by cause.

An understanding of classification and categorizing as done in this case by the CDC seems to be the problem.

Yes, you know better than the CDC.

There’s no nefarious purpose in “lumping” suicide and homicide in the same category. They are both firearms deaths. PERIOD.

Yes, there most certainly is. Its a deliberate tactic to inflate numbers. If it were otherwise, you lot would be screaming about "rope violence" and "exhaust violence" and "bridge violence" and "OTC drug overdose violence". Nice try though.

IMO there’s philosophical perspective in that gun enthusiasts tend to think of homicide in their discussion of gun deaths, gun control advocates seem to be more concerned with all of the components of gun deaths which includes suicides.

Ohh, cute. Imply that 'gun enthusiasts' only care about homicides. Gee, that's fresh and new.

Heres the philosophical difference russel:

People you call "gun enthusiasts" tend to look at suicides and homicides as having different causes, and therefore require different solutions. "Gun control" advocates, on the other hand, lump them all together in 1 general number, and screech and howl in rage when people point out that they're two different things. Then they infer that suicides do not matter to those who point out that they're different, as you slyly tried to imply.

Go ahead and do a DU search for "suicides don't count", and you'll find those words spewed accusingly, by people like you who lump them together, at people like us who differentiate.

I think that says about everything that needs saying.

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From the CDC... [View all] beevul Feb 2016 OP

Banning guns because of shootings... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #1

But anonymous internet posters sarisataka Feb 2016 #2

That' strange as they list: All firearm deaths Number of deaths: 33,636 jmg257 Feb 2016 #3

Keyword being 'cause'. N/T beevul Feb 2016 #4

Ah - gotcha. "Shooting" is only mentioned once in the whole report. jmg257 Feb 2016 #5

Also from the CDC russ1943 Feb 2016 #6

"Objectionable" beevul Feb 2016 #7

An attempt to enlighten a gun enthusiast is futility defined. russ1943 Feb 2016 #9

Would it somehow be better if gun suicides used other methods to do themselves in... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #10

"An attempt to enlighten a gun enthusiast is futility defined." pablo_marmol Feb 2016 #12

Reading is fundamental, russel. beevul Feb 2016 #14

warped jimmy the one Mar 2016 #17

"Gun control advocates only ever express concern about suicide when guns are involved" friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #18

So much bla bla bla, so little substance. beevul Mar 2016 #19

re your repugnant position jimmy the one Mar 2016 #20

Repugnant only to those that presume they have some binding interest in the lives of others. beevul Mar 2016 #21

Here's some "futility" from Webster's def. of "epidemic"... Eleanors38 Mar 2016 #15

+1. You have demonstrated that pious fraud is part and parcel of gun control advocacy friendly_iconoclast Mar 2016 #16

Strangely when Europe looks at US firearm deaths sarisataka Feb 2016 #8

Gun control advocates only ever express concern about suicide when guns are involved... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2016 #11

That's NRA TALKING POINTS™ virginia mountainman Feb 2016 #13