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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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28. Tyrants

Wed Oct 21, 2015, 12:28 PM

Oct 2015

1. A tyrant doesn't get the title until a force that history remembers opposes him.
2. A fine leader is determined by his ability to win over his political opponents while maintaining the loyalty of his allies.

My answers to your questions:
>> How many people WOULD rise up in arms to topple the regime?
Enough to topple the tyrant or by my definition, above, he's not a tyrant.

>> How many people WOULD rise up in arms to defend the regime?
Not enough, according to that same definition.

>> How many people COULD rise up in arms?
Today in the US, according to Heraclitus, at least 800,000.

"Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back." - Heraclitus

>> Can you even imagine a scenario where 80 million people share an opinion?
No but prohibition of arms, at worst, only decides who gets to "voice" their dissent.

"Your actions are only high treason if you fail." (R)me

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Why "a free state" as opposed to "the state"? [View all] Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 OP

Defense against what? Human101948 Oct 2015 #1

I don't think the army of the crown wore jackboots in those days but if you're referring to Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #3

Certainly they killed British officers and troops as members of a militia or army... Human101948 Oct 2015 #12

All of them. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #14

A unique reinterpretation of history... Human101948 Oct 2015 #17

Who formed the Continental Congress? Who appointed the officers? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #18

They were not self-appointed... Human101948 Oct 2015 #21

The colonies had no legal authority to appoint them. The colonies belonged to the Crown. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #22

It was not a group of unorganized individuals... Human101948 Oct 2015 #23

No, they were not unorganized. They were self-organized. Even anarchists do that. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #31

Know your history... sarisataka Oct 2015 #26

It is not applicable today upaloopa Oct 2015 #2

The idea of a free state has no place in the modern world? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #4

The idea of citizen-militias with rifles defending a 21st century First-World country. DetlefK Oct 2015 #6

You mean like Vietnam, Afghanistan or Cuba? DonP Oct 2015 #7

"...the right of the people to keep and bear explosives shall not be infringed." DetlefK Oct 2015 #9

Common misconception sarisataka Oct 2015 #10

Sounds like you have a problem with the first amendment too beardown Oct 2015 #13

And the purpose of the militia is to secure "a free state" -- not "the state." Hence the OP. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #15

The Swiss aren't prepping to wage war against their own country. DetlefK Oct 2015 #25

Well, it certainly wouldn't be worth it for their own government to wage war on them. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #29

In 1968 we used to see the red light on the horizon upaloopa Oct 2015 #32

I'm guessing the enemy was resoundingly defeated. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #33

And all that hardware is why we won against the little men with rifles, oh wait. DonP Oct 2015 #34

Do you think you could pacify 80+ million people with over 300 million weapons? Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #8

It doesn't take violence for a tyrant to prevent a revolution. DetlefK Oct 2015 #11

Your every argument seems to depend on very lurid fantasies. Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #16

How many Germans opposed Hitler? DetlefK Oct 2015 #19

So because the Germans abrogated their basic human decency that gives you the moral authority Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #20

All I'm saying is that weapons don't guarantee freedom from tyranny. DetlefK Oct 2015 #24

"How likely is a tyranny to break out?" Nuclear Unicorn Oct 2015 #30

Gordian Knot complexity valuation beardown Oct 2015 #35

Many non-Germans did. Straw Man Oct 2015 #36

Tyrants discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #28

On insurrection, etc.: Lizzie Poppet Oct 2015 #39

"Well, tell me how many militia-men and how many rifles it would take to take down the FBI..." beevul Oct 2015 #40

Oh, you're dreaming of a big, clear-cut revolution of good-vs-evil. DetlefK Oct 2015 #41

I'm dreaming? Its YOUR hypothetical. beevul Oct 2015 #42

My bad. I had lost track of this thread. DetlefK Oct 2015 #43

No problem. I appreciate you owning up to it. beevul Oct 2015 #45

But this would lead to new problems for the rebels: DetlefK Oct 2015 #46

Feel free to start a repeal movement, keep us posted on the progress DonP Oct 2015 #5

Were not sarisataka Oct 2015 #27

The Militia were STATE entities, long before the 2nd was authored, jmg257 Oct 2015 #37

I've read several of the opinions offered in your thread discntnt_irny_srcsm Oct 2015 #38

a Free State...a republican gov't. And how it is to remain so, via the Militias. jmg257 Oct 2015 #44