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6502

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9. No... if you want to go for the "equivalency argument"...
Tue Nov 13, 2012, 05:13 AM
Nov 2012

... it's up to you to show that there is truly equivalence.

To do so as just a kind of rhetorical device (as you tried to do in your comment) is quickly detected.

You see, you used a kind of implied hearsay as the foundation of your position.

Which means that what you said is useless and did nothing to further your argument. In fact, you've weakened your argument by making it.

Now, the majority of us our tax payers and do not support your position or views.

If you want to convince us, go the the .gov websites that have the actual statistical data on traffic accidents as well as data on deaths resulting from those accidents. Also, be careful not to be caught cherry picking or manipulating the data to fit your position. If anybody smells a whiff of that, your whole argument fails 100%.

I'll even help you out: try the ATF, FBI, FDA, and CDC for a start.

You can start with the websites, but I recommend that you actually try calling the agencies and be completely direct and open about your goals and how you intend to use the data. That will help them direct you to the appropriate sources for the data online.

This works. I did when research the claim that corporations pay lower tax rates than working people. I tried to find appropriate data, but it was overwhelming the quantity and variety of information offered online for free (our tax dollars at work).

I ultimately had to call the IRS main office directly and ask for help. They directed to the right needles in the haystack.

I also did the same with obtaining raw climate data from NOAA (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration) and ended up with access to what feels like in Star Trek terms would be a GIGAQUAD of raw data from around the world.

So, when I had to talk with the Right Wing / Libertarian / Conservative / Plutocrat supporting types on tax policy and whether or not the current system is appropriate or not... I buried them... I didn't not just read the reams of tax data. I processed it and analysed it. I developed both a detailed sense and broad view understanding of how taxes payments are distributed throughout the US.

Same with climate data. It's tons of data and I started my analysiis... I still have to deal with my day job, and we're taliking GIGAQUADS of data. But be sure, even before I am done chewing the entire data sets, I will have developed an innate sense of how the climate has been changing since the fricken 1800s.

Yeah, that was no typo, I did type "1800s"... that's how NOAA rolls.

Tax dollars at work.

And thanks to Obama, all that data and much much more has been made free to access and search and download online. And I mean the federal government, on Obama's order, liberated the data the taxpayers had paid for and created a search engine specifically for finding that data.

So, get to researching.
Come back with real facts to back up your position... but only get it from the GOV sites or the federal agencies directly.

We'll all be waiting.

Oh, I must add. Even if your try, I am already sure that you can't make your case... without fudging or cherry-picking.

But, I am interested in seeing you try.

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I hear your point Skittles Nov 2012 #1
Actually, I do cruise the Weed/Drug threads... let me explain it... 6502 Nov 2012 #7
I actually agreed with S.E. Cupp when she blasted Andrew Sullivan about that on catbyte Nov 2012 #2
Yea fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #6
But Prometheus_unbound Nov 2012 #3
Agreed, but . . . brush Nov 2012 #4
No... if you want to go for the "equivalency argument"... 6502 Nov 2012 #9
What the hell are you talking about brush Nov 2012 #11
Please... it's your responsibility to defend the position you support and proposed... 6502 Nov 2012 #16
Agree Mostly fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #5
. Prometheus_unbound Nov 2012 #8
My God... this outcome was as I expected. FAIL. 6502 Nov 2012 #10
Tie It Back to LBGT Rights fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #13
I did... click the link in the body of this post.... 6502 Nov 2012 #17
Nah fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #19
qwfrg Prometheus_unbound Nov 2012 #12
Tie It Back to LBGT Rights fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #14
No problem, here comes the cut... 6502 Nov 2012 #15
My Case? fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #18
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