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eomer

(3,845 posts)
25. Or else you have never understood it.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 06:33 AM
Nov 2014

Their highly idealized model is not based on the maximum ability of the lower structure to resist all the kinetic energy. Rather it is based on the maximum ability of the lower structure to resist all the kinetic energy if it were delivered all at a single instant.

Here is a different way of thinking about it that shows their flaw. Assume that you can remove the upper structure and cut it into very small pieces. Then assume that you can drop each of those pieces, one at a time, from the appropriate height above the lower structure, approximately one floor's height, onto the lower structure. This will take a long time but when you've finished the lower structure will have absorbed the same amount of kinetic energy that Bazant purportedly proved it can't.

Clearly if that same amount of kinetic energy is delivered in this fashion the lower structure has no problem resisting it. No columns will be crushed. Why is this result different than Bazant's? Because Bazant assumes, without justification, that all the kinetic energy is delivered at one single instant. But the result under that assumption is not necessarily the same as the result if application of the kinetic energy is spread out over time.

Bazant has not demonstrated, has not attempted to demonstrate, the relationship between his idealized model that unrealistically delivers all the kinetic energy at once and the real life process in which the kinetic energy was delivered over some span of time.

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The mysterious, magical world of Bushonian Science gyroscope Nov 2014 #1
I know! It's fucking hilarious the shit they try to peddle as physics! wildbilln864 Nov 2014 #2
He was using the Beatle's Magical Mystery tour bus gyroscope Nov 2014 #3
Lol don't forget the building that nothing hit (prewired for demolition) newfie11 Nov 2014 #5
"I'm about to give some of these 9/11 truther dumb-asses a little bit of a lesson" William Seger Nov 2014 #4
The guy is being sarcastic gyroscope Nov 2014 #6
Yup, he's trying to be sacastic William Seger Nov 2014 #7
It's a valid comparison. gyroscope Nov 2014 #8
The comparison is ludicrous William Seger Nov 2014 #9
Bad example gyroscope Nov 2014 #10
LOL, what about Gyro's Law? William Seger Nov 2014 #12
Explosives, hydraulics, whatever gyroscope Nov 2014 #14
"symmetrically" lol .... tell me, why would there be an asymmetry .... rewinn Dec 2014 #41
" because walls are not built strong enough to bear the buildings above them at a crazy wrong angle" wildbilln864 Jan 2015 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author rewinn Jan 2015 #51
Exactly: the idea that WTC should topple over in one piece like a 2x4 is silly but .... rewinn Jan 2015 #52
don't know where you get that 2x4 strawman from but... wildbilln864 Jan 2015 #53
Or less than .01 of architects and engineers disagree with him. zappaman Jan 2015 #54
Got proof? OBenario Nov 2015 #59
William, do you also believe..... wildbilln864 Nov 2014 #11
I believe Bazant's conclusion William Seger Nov 2014 #13
Haha Bazant is an idiot gyroscope Nov 2014 #15
Bazant is one of the world's foremost experts in structural mechanics William Seger Nov 2014 #17
"Bazant is one of the world's foremost experts in structural mechanics" OBenario Nov 2015 #57
Bullshit William Seger Nov 2015 #60
thhe crackpot probably wrote that shit himself or... wildbilln864 Nov 2015 #61
then you believe in nonsense and not science! wildbilln864 Nov 2014 #16
Failed demolitions are caused by... William Seger Nov 2014 #18
Bazant has no argument that needs refuting. eomer Nov 2014 #19
Bullshit William Seger Nov 2014 #20
No, as that paper explains repeatedly, calculations of the real life physical process were not done. eomer Nov 2014 #21
I don't think I agree with your assessment. AZCat Nov 2014 #23
You have never understood Bazant's argument William Seger Nov 2014 #24
Or else you have never understood it. eomer Nov 2014 #25
That makes no sense cpwm17 Nov 2014 #26
That was an intentionally extreme hypothetical for only a very narrow purpose. eomer Nov 2014 #29
" But to demonstrate through engineering principles..." William Seger Nov 2014 #37
Bazant didn't "demonstrate" that the ENTIRE top block was falling? William Seger Nov 2014 #27
I showed you what was (or should have been) obvious... eomer Nov 2014 #28
I made no such claim William Seger Nov 2014 #30
Bazant and Zhou's elastic dynamic analysis William Seger Nov 2014 #31
collapse was inevitable!? wildbilln864 Nov 2014 #32
Great response. zappaman Nov 2014 #33
Hard to argue with a baffoon gyroscope Nov 2014 #35
That's exactly how the professional building community feels about the "truthers". AZCat Nov 2014 #36
Ha!!! GGJohn Jan 2015 #44
Yes, if even one floor collapsed, total collapse was inevitable William Seger Nov 2014 #34
your every post is nonsense lately! wildbilln864 Nov 2014 #38
Pro tip: When you accuse someone of "nonsense" ... William Seger Nov 2014 #39
Ha!! Good catch. GGJohn Jan 2015 #45
"Yes, if even one floor collapsed, total collapse was inevitable" wildbilln864 Jan 2015 #47
Wow, what a well thought out, educated response. GGJohn Jan 2015 #43
it's just as educated as "collapse was inevitable"! wildbilln864 Jan 2015 #46
Nope, that proves what happens with bad guesses William Seger Jan 2015 #49
more sophistry! wildbilln864 Jan 2015 #50
Wow, I didn't realize this guy was using Anders Bjorkman as a reference. AZCat Nov 2014 #22
This is what i call "Hillbilly Physics." n/t RoccoR5955 Dec 2014 #40
That's a great name for a band! n/t zappaman Jan 2015 #48
and a kick! n/t wildbilln864 Mar 2015 #55
and remember that as the collapses proceeded down the structure wildbilln864 May 2015 #56
Great video! Thanks n/t OBenario Nov 2015 #58
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