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Showing Original Post only (View all)In 1901 there was no conflict in Palestine. No Israel, no 6 day war. [View all]
This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Lithos (a host of the Israel/Palestine group).
In 1901, there was no conflict in Palestine. The linked map shows that Palestine was known at that time. If Israel did not exist, there would be no 6 day war. There was no Israel in 1901. The people were there, but there was no conflict. If Israel had not been established, therefore, there would be no 6 day war. There would be no 50 years of apartheid. And no 500 days of bombing campaigns in Gaza.
Israelis came over and started troubles with their Irgun insurgency [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine]. They did this because they feel they have a historical claim to the land. I would argue that after the UN was established, conquest should have become obsolete. They took the land by conquest in 1967. And furthermore with illegal settlements:
"Israel has justified its civilian settlements by claiming that a temporary use of land and buildings for various purposes appears permissible under a plea of military necessity and that the settlements fulfilled security needs."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_Israeli_settlements#Israel
They built houses on what was, by their own admission, temporary land. And purchases of land were made regarding "temporary land". They have become more brazen in asking for conquest of Gaza (https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220364287) in these times because they think that they have the might to do whatever they want (despite Netanyahu potentially threatening authoritarianism in Israel given that he tried to fire the attorney general while on trial for bribery, fraud, and breach of public trust: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_of_Benjamin_Netanyahu).
This is standard live by the sword, die by the sword/might makes right mentality. But that sword cuts both ways.
So, I look at it in one of two ways. Israel was the cause of the problems that weren't there in 1901 and should give back all the land it took in 1967 and with Illegal settlements. Or, they can go with the irredentist approach and take the land by might and then lose it by might. And if they lose it, whatever the Palestinians decide to leave to them (if anything, Allah (SWT) knows best and we try as Muslims to act with justice) is what they receive. And they may well choose the latter choice now, but if they lose, and lose badly, then that is a choice they will have made. I would have preferred a peaceful approach, but as per 1901, it seems the Zionists never really had any intention of peace.
//Since Reddit kept blocking this with filters... and twitter has a character count limit... here we go.
A bit more: Islamically, we're not supposed to reflect with grief over what has passed. So, I am noting that so I don't run afoul of that if I can avoid it. But, I am noting one of the actors in the conflict and it's difficult to post this without certain wording.
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Good read. I understand your perspective. There was no problem in 1901, then there was...
brush
Jun 4
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Many Jews long wanted to return to their "homeland" and it was a big movement for decades
LymphocyteLover
Jun 4
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