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OKIsItJustMe

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9. They make a comparison to "green ammonia"

Reply to Bluetus (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 3, 2025, 02:23 PM

Aug 3

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In complete contrast, hydrogen stored as sodium borohydride costs 15% less than ammonia form, and can be shipped in much greater quantities aboard regular container ships.

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One significant difference is that ammonia can also be used to fuel those container ships. However, it looks like a promising line of research.

I’m particularly interested in “green ammonia” to make fertilizer. Roughly half of the humans on Earth are fed vegetables grown using fertilizers made with “natural gas.” As the first step, the natural gas is “reformed” to produce hydrogen, using the exact process “hydrogen skeptics” decry; then that “dirty” hydrogen is combined with nitrogen to make ammonia.

https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-people-does-synthetic-fertilizer-feed

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Highlight:

"Green Hydrogen Is Finally in the Pipes" as Sinopec Begins Historic Blend Into China's Gas Grid [View all] Caribbeans Aug 2 OP

Despite the misleading slick ad from the fossil fuel industry, China's hydrogen is overwhelmingly made from fossil fuels NNadir Aug 2 #1

I wold not call it a scam Bluetus Aug 2 #2

Europe has been working on this for some time OKIsItJustMe Aug 2 #4

And then, this article about "hydrogen powder" Bluetus Aug 3 #6

They make a comparison to "green ammonia" OKIsItJustMe Aug 3 #9

I'm not impressed by the dishonest use of units of POWER to substitute for units of ENERGY. NNadir Aug 3 #5

Sorry, I don't follow your rant. Bluetus Aug 3 #7

Generally people who can't "follow" this sort of thing endorse solar and wind. NNadir Aug 3 #8

Once again, I cannpt follow your stream of riddles. Bluetus Aug 3 #10

They're not "riddles." They're DATA and historical reports on the cost of energy during Dunkleflaute. NNadir Aug 3 #11

Post removed Post removed Aug 3 #12

Your first simile comes closest OKIsItJustMe Aug 3 #14

This "conversation," such as it is, is concluded. NNadir Aug 3 #15

I will take your challenge. OKIsItJustMe Aug 3 #13

Thank you kindly for this nice succinct correct statement of my views. NNadir Aug 19 #17

I'm glad you feel I accurately summarized your views OKIsItJustMe Aug 19 #18

System Analysis: Hydrogen production from nuclear energy OKIsItJustMe Aug 19 #19

Thank you for sharing, but I have many hundreds of papers on various thermochemical hydrogen cycles going... NNadir Aug 20 #20

I also have been familiar with "Nuclear Hydrogen" for decades OKIsItJustMe Aug 20 #21

The highlighted statement or a variant is similar if not identical to those... NNadir Aug 21 #22

"Soothsaying" OKIsItJustMe Aug 21 #23

"... object to me continuously producing the following table ..." OKIsItJustMe Aug 4 #16

Hydrogen can be mixed with "natural gas" much as ethanol can be mixed with gasoline OKIsItJustMe Aug 2 #3