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radicalliberal

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12. I'm in basic agreement with you.
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 12:16 AM
Sep 2013

Last edited Thu Sep 5, 2013, 07:53 AM - Edit history (3)

We all have our own preferences. Each guy should respect the other's preference.

for those of us who like sports, we get to put up with the holier than thou, nose stuck firmly in the air types who think watching sports is beneath them and a sign of the degradation of society or something...


I have never had this bad attitude in my life. I've never felt superior to any school athlete I ever encountered as I was growing up. Not even the jerks. Sports have always been a part of the mosaic of human expression. (How do you like that for a trite statement?) They will always be around, just like the fine arts. I respect the effort and self-discipline that is involved in developing athletic skill, which to me is comparable to all the dedication that is necessary for one to become a concert pianist. I would not be interested in attending a piano concert anymore than I would a sporting event such as a football game, but that wouldn't mean I don't respect the efforts of the participants in both events. Lack of interest does not imply lack of respect.

I will say, though, that the types you speak of hardly have any power over others (except, perhaps, in a college classroom or an online forum where it's easy to be rude and personally attack others). The sports crowd, on the other hand, seem to have a great deal of power for obvious reasons. Picture, if you will, in your mind the situation of a scrawny or fat nonathletic boy in a mandatory boys' P.E. class that is centered around sports to the complete exclusion of exercise programs for the nonathletic kids. He has no power at all. Every school day he dreads the approach of the period when he will have P.E. He likely will be subjected to humiliation and bullying, and nobody will care.

As I said, I've never had this attitude in my life. But I was subjected to ridiculous stereotyping. For example: In the mid-1960s when I was an eighth-grader, my parents sent me to a clinical psychologist because I was being bullied (verbally) at school and my grades had fallen. The psychologist -- who, unfortunately, turned out to be abysmally incompetent -- decided in his infinite wisdom that I should take judo lessons. He sent me to a dojo that was run by a former university football player. He was the embodiment of machismo. The coldest man I've ever known. I learned what machismo was before I even heard the word. I always felt like an outsider in his dojo; and when he promoted me to brown belt (a promotion I clearly did not deserve), I felt like he was patronizing me as that scrawny nonathlete in his class. By the time I was a junior in high school, I decided this nonsense had gone on long enough and quit, expecting an angry protest from him but hearing none.

I looked him up eight years later. He expressed certain peculiar views of his own that explained a lot. First, he claimed that he had saved me from homosexuality! You see, he stereotyped me. Since I was physically weak, had no interest in sports, didn't stand up to bullies (because they all were physically stronger than I was), surely I must have homosexual tendencies. You know the old line. I supposedly was some kind of sissy, whatever that is. He also said that only athletes and men in certain blue-collar vocations were "real men." He even denigrated Dr. Sakharov, claiming that he really wasn't all that courageous because he had the support of the "international media." (Say what?) And even though he was an instructor in the marital arts, he had no problem with bullying! He said the guy who's bullied by his boss can always kick the family dog when he gets home from work. What a noble philosophy! (For whatever it's worth, this guy happens to be a Republican.)

It's not so hard to understand why I detest machismo with every fiber of my being. I respect the true masculinity that was manifested by Sakharov and Wallenberg, when they sought to help the oppressed. Those men in this country who spoke out against Jim Crow during the 1950s and early 1960s were cut from the same cloth, as far as I'm concerned. I dare say machismo has no respect for such men.

I hate to say this, but machismo seems to be so common among athletes and coaches. Just to give another example (and I could give others), just a few years ago a childhood friend of mine who had played on his high school's football team informed me that most of his teammates had considered all the nonathletic guys at their school to be inferior. (This childhood friend of mine wasn't playing the "sour grapes" routine. He's still a big football fan today.) Another friend of mine who played on the same team recently told me that he never saw a more insecure group of guys in his life. He said they were constantly "proving" their masculinity over and over again, usually at the expense of guys who weren't athletes.

I realize there are exceptions to this. For example, trumad and several other DU members I know of who have decidedly athletic backgrounds clearly reject machismo. They are men I admire. I honor them. I wish I had known someone like trumad when I was in high school.

I'm firmly convinced that there has been a social animus against nonathletic boys for generations going back to the Thirteen Colonies. You know, bookish men are supposed to be effete, blah blah blah. I suggest you read The Feminized Male, which was written by a New York City sociology professor named Patricia Cayo Sexton (who passed away last year). She rails against nonathletic boys and men, whom she deems to be "feminized," and makes some of the most absurd statements I've ever heard. The book is seething with hatred. (Hey, she detested nonathletic academic men; so, why in the world did she choose to become a Professor?! ) She was on the political left, but this diatribe reads like it was written by Ann Coulter or Phylis Schlafly. It reads like racist or anti-Semitic hate literature, except the targets are nonathletic guys. If you don't believe me, read it for yourself.

As a heterosexual, I don't know whether being gay makes one predisposed to disliking sports anyway. Sounds rather unlikely...and it hasn't been my experience .


It's a dumb claim that historically has been made by those seeking to demean gays with negative stereotypes. There are more gay athletes than we realize. Some stay in the closet. Incidentally, several years ago I once came across an interesting blog at a particular gay website -- outsports, I believe (if I remember the name correctly). Just as there are sports fans on one side and sports haters and critics of the culture on the other side among straight guys, the same rift exists to the same degree among gays, apparently.

End of this rant, an incredibly long post.

Peace.

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If you don't like sports, you're gay! [View all] radicalliberal Sep 2013 OP
I dunno, most of the people in that thread you posted seem to say.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #1
You may be right. radicalliberal Sep 2013 #3
people who actually give a shit about anyone being gay or not Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #2
Perhaps I'm a bit thin-skinned. radicalliberal Sep 2013 #4
don't get me wrong- I get it. I caught a lot of that crap when I was younger, no question. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #5
Remaining true to one's own convictions and not being distressed by what others think . . . radicalliberal Sep 2013 #7
As a runner AND a gay man, I'll just say this... LeftofObama Sep 2013 #6
Please forgive me for not writing a longer post. I'm all pooped out from writing the last one. radicalliberal Sep 2013 #13
It works both ways.. Upton Sep 2013 #8
I'm not big on being a spectator vis a vis professional sports, I admit it. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #9
I hate to break it to you.. Upton Sep 2013 #10
Honestly, that particular period with the Bulls was something else. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #11
I'm in basic agreement with you. radicalliberal Sep 2013 #12
I actually considered deleting this post of mine (the one above) in its entirety. radicalliberal Sep 2013 #15
Thank you for leaving the post Broken_Hero Sep 2013 #16
Thank you very much for posting and sharing your background with us! radicalliberal Sep 2013 #18
"Like I said, the sports media does not present the human side of athletes" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #19
There is some truth to what you say. radicalliberal Sep 2013 #21
Real Sports and Outside the Lines absolutely address the "dark side" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Sep 2013 #23
Thank you for the two references. radicalliberal Sep 2013 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author radicalliberal Oct 2013 #26
And I doubt you will find a Food section in your local newspaper.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author radicalliberal Oct 2013 #29
All I'm going to say to you is this.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2013 #30
You hit some very strong points. Broken_Hero Sep 2013 #20
Please don't worry about your response not being as in-depth as you'd like it to be. radicalliberal Sep 2013 #22
Female and love sports. RiffRandell Sep 2013 #14
I know a lot of women who get super-irritated by those commercials. Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #17
I despise mainsteam sports. I'm straight. Katashi_itto Sep 2013 #25
Gay? We should all be so lucky. EOM. Levon Oct 2013 #27
I'm indifferent to sports lumberjack_jeff Oct 2013 #31
In a sense, I'm indifferent to HS sports as long as players are held accountable . . . radicalliberal Oct 2013 #32
I guess I'm not gay then because I watch sports every week... Revanchist Oct 2013 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author radicalliberal Oct 2013 #34
Just so there won't be any misunderstanding, Proud, I haven't read any of your replies -- radicalliberal Jan 2014 #35
WTF??? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #36
I like football and loosely follow baseball. One of the things I like most about them... JVS Jan 2014 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author radicalliberal Jul 2014 #38
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