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Bonobo

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7. I am kicking this in light of the recent hullabaloo.

Mon Mar 18, 2013, 01:38 AM

Mar 2013

And I will reiterate that any normal feminist would consider me to be a highly enlightened male - I could go into details but let's just say I have worked at home for over 20 years so I can carry a lot of the home burden, I cook at least 5 nights/week and have very open conversations with my children about gender roles and all that stuff. No one that knows me would ever think I am not on the feminist's side wrt equal rights...

And yet...

The crazy-ass contingent on this board has gone so over-the-top that they have forced people like myself to take on a contrary position and had some success, as a result, in painting me and others with the "Men's Right" brush. In other words, they forced a reaction so that they can then say "Look at the backlash".

It IS like a policeman who needs crimes or a fireman who needs fires.

In fact, they set their own fires so they can be seen to be "battling them".

This has become even more clear to me of late.

That is all.

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Just as police need crime, dentists need cavities and firemen need fires... [View all] Bonobo Feb 2013 OP

Feminism as an academic TM99 Feb 2013 #1

Post-modernism rejects the structuralism of Marxism BainsBane Mar 2013 #17

Most academic socio-political TM99 Mar 2013 #18

. . . BainsBane Mar 2013 #19

I should state clearly up front TM99 Mar 2013 #20

I used the term academic too broadly BainsBane Mar 2013 #21

Understood. TM99 Mar 2013 #22

Some people, confusingly enough, just aren't happy unless they're complaining about something. Warren DeMontague Feb 2013 #2

yup complaining is a hobby and vocation for some loli phabay Feb 2013 #6

Sometimes i have a problem with those that who like to complain a lot nolabels Mar 2013 #8

Blame. Victim. N.T. Warren Stupidity Feb 2013 #3

"Incite", not "insight". The rest of this post is dumb too. Scuba Feb 2013 #4

Yes, incite. Bonobo Feb 2013 #5

I am kicking this in light of the recent hullabaloo. Bonobo Mar 2013 #7

In the last year, I have come to the conclusion that the "red pill solution" is passage of the ERA. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #9

good gawd. Whisp Mar 2013 #10

honestly BainsBane Mar 2013 #25

This post was alerted on! The jury voted 4/2 to let it stand. ohiosmith Mar 2013 #11

What "crazy-ass contingent" BainsBane Mar 2013 #24

I find the rad fems to be strikingly similar to the tea party Gore1FL Mar 2013 #12

Both..by appealing to a select unbending fringe.. Upton Mar 2013 #13

and how about them rad masculinists Whisp Mar 2013 #15

Thanks for thinking we're cute... Upton Mar 2013 #23

They certainly managed to divide themselves to the detriment of their own movement Major Nikon Mar 2013 #27

Money. nt rrneck Mar 2013 #14

My observations are that its not just one group of people that this could apply to. HuskiesHowls Mar 2013 #16

All social movements require an opposition. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #26

So do all boxers, race-car drivers and scrabble players. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #28

Exactly. I don't really see the point of your OP, I guess. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #29

The point is that the two feed off each other. Bonobo Mar 2013 #30

The saying "all men are potential rapists" is not radical. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #31

The interpretation you cite is not germane to the point I am making. Bonobo Mar 2013 #33

The saying is for men to help us understand their point of view. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #35

My being offended or not offended is also not the issue. Bonobo Mar 2013 #36

Why do you think the intent is to offend? nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #37

I think it is kind of obvious. Bonobo Mar 2013 #38

I have always seen the phrase with some explanation, ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #39

Thank you for helping me to explore the issue Bonobo Mar 2013 #41

Thanks! I think we agree more than disagree. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #42

What impression would I give if I said all women are potentially neonaticidal mothers? Major Nikon Mar 2013 #46

If you were talking about the viewpoint of a child who has suffered great abuse ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #48

So all women who say this have been raped? Major Nikon Mar 2013 #49

"So all women who say this have been raped?" ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #50

It's not even within the same ball park Major Nikon Mar 2013 #51

What does the phrase "every man is a potential rapist" mean to you? nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #52

It means inflammatory rhetoric Major Nikon Mar 2013 #53

Well there's the problem. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #54

Perhaps Major Nikon Mar 2013 #55

I agree with that. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #56

If you are making a statement you know is offensive to a large number of people... Major Nikon Mar 2013 #57

I find it intriguing that that "all men are potential rapists" is an important thing to know lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #59

Giving women basic crime prevention tips is belittling because ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #60

Is so, in post #31, why did you say.... Bonobo Mar 2013 #66

That is a fair critique. ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #69

Who has said all men are potential rapists? BainsBane Mar 2013 #32

No one is ruining my life. Why would you even say that? Bonobo Mar 2013 #34

seven years ago BainsBane Mar 2013 #40

I think you are misrepresenting me. Bonobo Mar 2013 #43

fair enough BainsBane Mar 2013 #44

Thank you. I just sent you a LONG message so please check your inbox. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #45

2 weeks ago Major Nikon Mar 2013 #47

Exactly? What do race car drivers and scrabble players *need*? lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #58

"As a man, you're never going to escape that role." ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #61

There are highly perverse incentives at work here. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #62

I am not sure how donglegate helped that woman. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #63

It was an overplayed hand. The exception proving the rule. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #64

Exceptions don't prove rules, unless the rule is there are always exceptions. nt ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #65

It helped her fulfill her "look at me" "empowerment" needs. Gore1FL Mar 2013 #70

I don't know. I think donglegate is more about the "crusader" mentality. Which is, to my mind, Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #67

I think it's self promotion ProudToBeBlueInRhody Mar 2013 #68

Without adversaries, there's no need for crusaders. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #71

This OP is even truer today than when I first wrote it. nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #72

I assume... ElboRuum Mar 2013 #73

Roger that. Gore1FL Mar 2013 #74