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Warren DeMontague

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25. If i were, say, a fundamentalist deeply invested in religious/cultural norms, that might apply.

Wed Jan 9, 2013, 06:23 PM

Jan 2013

However, what I see here is traditionalists and fundamentalists expressing their anger at/fear of change. The repressive, censorious impulse, the fear of sex, nudity, women's sexuality, all of it.. Centuries of sexual repression which run up against our modern, free (distressingly so, to fundamentalists and other censorship-minded traditionalists) media-rich environment. The people who believe in burqas versus the people who don't have a problem with porn on cable tv.

While undoubtedly women are the primary target of that anger and fear in the examples listed, I don't think a Rock-solid case can be made that "men" or "all men" somehow "benefit" from this intimidation. I think many men, as well as women, are invested in social change, progress, freedom and free thought.

It is the monolithic, categorical, black and white reasoning which I think many of us have a problem with. I do not believe that all men or even men as a category benefit from these horrible actions.

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"Not all men rape--but all men benefit from the fact that some men do." [View all] ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 OP

What's your point? The OP made a good case that this is true. Do you dispute it? Scuba Jan 2013 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #2

I'm ok with the "all" language, so yes, it means you. And me. Scuba Jan 2013 #5

The link didn't point to the OP Major Nikon Jan 2013 #3

The link he pointed to echoed the OP. Scuba Jan 2013 #4

The OP didn't suggest that all men benefit from rape Major Nikon Jan 2013 #7

Except for in the Title: "Not all men rape--but all men benefit from the fact that some men do." Scuba Jan 2013 #8

I read it, now I'm asking you Major Nikon Jan 2013 #9

As per the article, all men benefit because ... Scuba Jan 2013 #11

...or I may not have. Major Nikon Jan 2013 #14

Men have also been used as cannnon fodder down through history... Upton Jan 2013 #15

So if women are to threated to fully participate in society and "entry into school" Exultant Democracy Jan 2013 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #20

Sorry, but this thread is a direct response to the one to which I linked. Scuba Jan 2013 #21

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #24

If i were, say, a fundamentalist deeply invested in religious/cultural norms, that might apply. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author Upton Jan 2013 #6

I've edited my OP ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #10

Took your suggestion.. Upton Jan 2013 #13

Men who rape have led to a culture of fear ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #12

The proper response to that statement is "so what?" Bonobo Jan 2013 #16

When my kids were real little we had a toy that was basically a box with a big red button Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #18

Well said! nt Bonobo Jan 2013 #19

I don't believe that categories are monolithic entitites. Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #17

I just see it as a simplistic statement designed for people who seek simplistic answers Major Nikon Jan 2013 #22

The boyfriend is also being attacked by the defense lawyer ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2013 #23

The reverse is true. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #26

Rhetorical nonsense. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #27

Ignorant and bigoted. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #28

I even think the assertion that "all men benefit from anti-female sexism", while situationally true Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #29

It may not be universal, but it makes more sense then the crap in the OP. Behind the Aegis Jan 2013 #30

And certainly, one can and should acknowledge the actual and historical reality of things like Warren DeMontague Jan 2013 #32

"All men benefit from anti-female sexism" lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #31

Kicking for current relevance. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #34

No human being benefits from the oppression of others. hifiguy Apr 2013 #35