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Warren DeMontague

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27. Part II:
Tue Jul 10, 2012, 07:23 PM
Jul 2012

The entire core conceit if the piece is exposed in the title; "Private fantasy, public reality". That construction,that juxtaposition, is deliberate.

http://feministcurrent.com/5600/private-fantasy-public-reality-the-rcmp-bdsm-and-violence-against-women/

It is deliberate because it is a top tier fetish (yes, i will use that word) of the authoritarian anti-sex factions of the 2nd wave to justify meddling in the private choices of consenting adults, to argue that so-called "private behavior" (scare quotes, heavy sighs, eye rolling) is not private at all, but political and as such needs to be policed by the brave batllers of all things Patriarchalus.

Patron saint Dworkin essentially said that any time any woman's body is invaded by a penis in a so-called "consensual" (scare quotes, again) sex act, all women everywhere are harmed via spooky patriarchal quantum action-at-a-distance. Take that, Einstein, you phallopressor!

Let's work through the piece, shall we?

The scenes were violent, degrading


Subjective opinion. By all accounts, the scenes were consensual and more than a little bit ridiculous, although yes "ridiculous" is subjective opinion, too.


How could a man who so clearly enjoys degrading women fairly assess a case that is explicitly about violence against women, about dehumanizing women, and that played out as it did (in that the disappearances of women from the Downtown Eastside were ignored by the police for years) because the women who were going missing were viewed as worthless?


Um, well, for one, Feminism 101 tells us that "under patriarchy", ALL hetero PIV sex is degrading and oppressive, so ANY man who enjoys that sort of thing - particularly if his brain has been reprogrammed by the heroin-like erotoxins of pictures of nekkid women - is incapable of doing that job, or seeing women as anything other than power tools, etc. But the bottom line, here, is there are two totally separate issues- people doing (or not doing) their jobs, and what those people choose to do when not working. If someone isn't doing their job, for whatever reason, fire them.

The recent push of a ‘sex-positive’ ideology which has permeated our discussions of sex and sexuality in North America says that anything goes so long as it happens in the privacy of our bedrooms and is ‘consensual’. It’s how we defend pornography, prostitution, and of course, things like BDSM. And while I wouldn’t go so far as to argue that our individual sex lives should somehow be regulated, the whole hands-off, libertarian, ‘whatever happens between consenting adults’ party line we must all toe as progressive, politically correct people makes it next to impossible to address behaviour like Brown’s when it comes to light.


And there it is, complete with the requisite scare quotes around "consensual", because we know no womyn ever REALLY consent to nasty, icky, oppressive things like PIV "sex".

Apparently this author thinks she's being extra-reasonable by grudgingly conceding that she can't, personally, be in charge of what the whole world does in the "privacy" (sigh sigh eyeroll eyeroll) of their bedrooms.. Nonetheless, those kooky libertarians with their fucked up libertarian arguments about how others shouldnt be in charge of what consenting adults do in their own bedrooms... are they craaaazay, or whut?

And wait a minute. Okay, so you dont want to tell people what to do, but you DO want to "address the behavior"

Um, i'll bite, then. HOW?

When the VPD were found to have been watching porn on the job instead of investigating the missing and murdered women, what we pretend is ‘private’ became public. When Catherine Galliford came out about the years of sexual harassment and sexual assault she faced while she was a member of the RCMP, what was once ‘private’ suddenly became ‘public’.  We’ve long treated abuse as a ‘private’, ‘family matter’. We know better now. Brown’s ‘private’ life, wherein he fetishized the abuse and degradation of women, is not *just* a private issue. This is a case where what one does ‘in private’ clearly has a public impact. The ‘private’ behaviour of misogynist men is not simply a private fantasy, but it is a public reality — whether or not the men are outed about their behaviour.


Holy conflate-a-palooza, Batperson! Okay, well, for one, when the VPD were found blah blah blah, what they were doing was NOT private bc it was interfering with thir PUBLIC jobs on the PUBLIC dime.

Sexual harrasment? Terrible, but again, not private, not consensual. Not legal.

Abuse? Not consensual, not legal, not on topic.



More to come, including some armchair psychoanalysis as to "why", in Part III. Stay tuned!



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WTF! BDSM in the RCMP? ITEOTWAWKI! [View all] Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 OP
So what is the official position on BDSM? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #1
Sherlock Holmes would not approve. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #2
In all seriousness, I read the essay posted ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #3
I may get into it in depth later, if I feel so inclined, but the piece itself really reads like a Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #4
That brings up a good point.. Upton Jul 2012 #7
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This Major Nikon Jul 2012 #10
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lmao! exactly! opiate69 Jul 2012 #32
Here's an "even more super sexxxy picture of a woman" in her honor. lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #19
Odd how, in my porn-addled male gaze objectifying misogyny, I forgot to not take her seriously Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #20
"want to talk about people who can frame the economic arguments better, there's your go-to person" lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #21
Sounds like "nice guy" talk, Warren ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #22
Please, please! Allow me to mansplain! Er, sorry, explain! Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #25
Seems simple enough.... opiate69 Jul 2012 #14
Apparently, the idea that the ever-expanding list of people who've been blocked from that group Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #17
Here's my offering ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #24
Yep. There are a whole long list of happy, unapologetic porn people who fuck up the narrative. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #26
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not very well lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Upton Jul 2012 #6
Targeted for being kinky.. Upton Jul 2012 #8
No, they are all "victims" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #23
reply loli phabay Jul 2012 #37
Once again the radical left and radical right are indistinguishable from each other 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #9
I promised a bit of a breakdown on the original article, scare quotes and all, so here goes Part I: Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #18
Part II: Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #27
And, now, for the armchair psychoanalysis bit: Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #28
Very well stated, Warren. opiate69 Jul 2012 #29
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musta hit a nerve. Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 #34
Cognitive dissonance leads to denial and projection. hifiguy Jul 2012 #38
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