Men's Group

catch, he did the right thing, too.

I'm going to look at the language in your 2nd paragraph, and pick it apart a little.. I hope you don't mind:

most men are fundamentally good and decent. How could they not be? You don't want your daughters to be reduced to sexual objects, or abused, any more than mothers do.

Okay, let's see what you did there: No, no decent parent wants their kids abused. However, in that line you also conflated abuse with "reduced to sexual objects"... And I think it's worth examining what, specifically, that means. Are we talking about people being sexually attracted to them? As kids? As adults? Are we talking about choices our daughters may make when they're grown up? "Reduced to sexual objects" is one of those phrases that sounds like it means something, but I'm personally of the opinion that it is fundamentally meaningless.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1114&pid=844

Obviously, some things are for adults and not for kids; nudity, violent video games, what have you. I will also say that teenage boys looking at porn or pictures of naked women, before they've had a relationship, is nothing new. For most of us, the urges kick in well before we've got the drivers license, which seems to be a precursor to most of us losing our virginity, at least it was in my day. Before we had internet porn, we had Penthouse, or the SI Swimsuit issue. Or the Sears Bra ads in the Sunday Paper (seriously) ... Teenage boys will go to extreme lengths to find pictures of naked women to masturbate to.

Seabeyond's anecdotes were hard to follow, but the implication was that the "bad" masculinity was tied to dads taking sons to hooters, that kind of thing. And I felt it was illuminating that her ideas of terrible things that were being done to boys in their upbringing, mostly had to do with the boys being allowed to do things that she, a woman, didn't approve of.