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lumberjack_jeff

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11. Married women's interests are aligned with the family's interests.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 11:00 AM
Jun 2012

When people marry, their interests become subordinate to those of the family. Women place a higher value on flex hours and working conditions and men place a higher value on monetary compensation largely because of their roles in the family. It is in a family's interest that the husband be able to earn a lot, and the wife have flexibility to deal with domestic/childrearing tasks. If you think that it's better for men to do the domestic tasks while the wife earns as much as possible in the workplace, that is a worthwhile discussion, but it runs counter to people's motivations; women don't seek out men who aspire to be househusbands.

Gender is not the major determinant of views on abortion - education is. In fact if men were as well educated as women, it's unclear whether there'd be a gender gap on the issue at all. I think men generally support choice. In fact, they think it might be nice to have some.

The next generation of males won't be any different than the last. Despite their pathetic level of education, they're expected to be breadwinners. In the increasingly unlikely event they succeed in this regard, their success in their riskier, harder, and more time consuming work will be written off as "privilege" and evidence that their part time wife is underpaid.

They are still going to be gun righters. They are still going to perceive their interests to be in de-regulation. They are still going to listen, by and large, to tax-free religions, many of which make their money by spouting a fundamentalist, male-favorable religious sects. They may become less strident, watch other TV besides Fox, but this generation of males will vote mostly the same. Their political affiliation is based on a view of the world.


In general, women are more religious than men are. Men's views on taxation and deregulation have been shaped by the camp into which they've been pushed. In the 40's and 50's, the gender gap by party didn't exist. The biggest practical problem with the gap as it exists is that single women don't stay in the Democratic fold. They adopt their husband's voting habits.

You can hold all the negative stereotypes you wish, but this is the reality. To the extent that your stereotypes influence the behavior of the party, it further alienates men.

This party won't change ideologically until we face a catastrophe which requires us to rethink things. I should think that GWB would have been enough of a catastrophe.

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To be more specific, it's white males. Kaleva Jun 2012 #1
Oh my Dokkie Jun 2012 #2
e) wait for white suburban males to be a minority. Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #3
White suburban males are already a minority. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #4
more of a minority. Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #5
All in it together? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #6
Instead, why not work to retain married women? caseymoz Jun 2012 #10
Married women's interests are aligned with the family's interests. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #11
You see "reality," but I hold "negative stereotypes?" caseymoz Jun 2012 #12
conversational progression. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #13
Again, if you see "reality," but I hold "negative stereotypes" . . . caseymoz Jun 2012 #14
You don't like the facts or you don't like the conclusions? lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #15
I didn't read it. caseymoz Jun 2012 #16
I give it a 5. opiate69 Jun 2012 #17
Challenging opinions aren't everyones cup of tea. nt lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #18
yep... opiate69 Jun 2012 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #7
I think this is part of the solution. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #20
One would think so. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2012 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #22
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