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Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
21. You'll forgive me if I don't get too worked up over the "silencing" of so-called "heroes"
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 04:11 AM
Jan 2014

like the guy who felt compelled the other day to call me a misogynist, a racist AND someone who apparently has it in for disabled people- all because I would not offer some ridiculous pre-approved blank check of condemnation against all possible jokes that supposedly met some arbitrary criteria, before the fact and without context.


Never mind that I have a family member with CP. Does DU know that? Probably not. Why would they? I don't really talk about it here, because I'm generally not on DU to work through my personal shit, certainly not to use total strangers as proxy enemies for whatever it is I've got bugging me in my own life.

So some dude is a hero, "bravely speaking truth" because he flies off the rails and can't keep himself from insulting people in a thread? He's a victim of totalitarianism a la Martin Niemöller? REALLY? "First, they came for the thread hijackers"... Give me a break.

No, honestly, here I will toot my own horn: what was heroic there was my keeping my friggin' patience when told to my face I don't give a shit about disabled people.

Someone is not a hero for getting a timeout on a message board, because they can't keep from dragging personal insults into a conversation. That's not "heroism".

And I look at all the wailing, the gnashing of teeth over the "silencing"- and I look at the transparency pages of the silenced- and I have to wonder, what is the important speech which is being "unfairly" silenced? Judging by the transparency pages, it seems what some are angry about, is that they and their pals don't have the freedom to freely toss out the worst, nastiest, most personal insults at the people they've deemed their "enemies"-

...I don't just mean the name calling directed at me, I'm talking the lapdog comments, the shit about B's family member... these are things which they would never in a million years think they should put up with, if they were directed at people on their "side".

So.... it's bullshit.

Here's another example. A while back someone on DU posted a personal attack against someone I've disagreed with, vociferously, over the years. The person doing the posting was someone I have some stuff in common with, someone whom I have had pleasant exchanges with over the years. Someone I would consider a friend. The person on the other end of the attack has certainly done more than enough in the time I've been here, to alienate a large chunk of the board.

Nevertheless, when I saw what the person on my "side" said about the person on the other "side", I sent my friend a PM. I said that while I understood being frustrated, the particular comment was, in my mind, over the top. I told him that, in my opinion, he probably owed that poster- the one he insulted, my "enemy"- an apology.

Did I do this to get points on DU? Head pats? As part of some devious master plan? No. I did it because it was the decent fucking thing to do. And I never would have brought it up again, except that it provides a glaring contrast to recent events. Because in addition to what I did do, here's what I did NOT do- since that person had their account, at least temporarily, suspended. I did NOT rush over to ATA to complain about the 'unfairness' of their account lock, the hides, some improbably goofy 'conspiracy' to silence them.

I did NOT start a thread lauding their wonderful contributions and "needed commentary" or whatever-the-fuck, making the clear implication that said needed commentary was the totally uncalled for shit they just flinged at the person I don't, personally, get along with.

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The idea that disagreeing with one or a group of feminists, makes one anti-feminist is rubbish Major Nikon Jan 2014 #1
I'm always amused at the "You're not doing feminism correctly" snark from certain quarters ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jan 2014 #2
Feminism is advocacy for women. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #3
If I had time to get bothered about every ridiculous name some random Ginkus calls me on DU Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #4
As I've said before, I think we on DU generally agree on 90% of the really essential stuff. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #5
Because it is a personal war for some. nt Bonobo Jan 2014 #6
For instance, if one admits that systemic racism is still a problem in this country - which is a big nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #7
People invariably see things from their own vantage point. Bonobo Jan 2014 #8
I don't disagree with any of that. I understand perfectly well where some of these reactions come nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #11
Because the implication within the statement isn't their experience. westerebus Jan 2014 #10
Denying the mass-level effects of racism doesn't help working-class white folks in the slightest. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #12
Who is denying it? westerebus Jan 2014 #13
Maybe not in those exact words, but people reacting so defensively to discussions about racism nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #14
If you intend to frame this as either they are racist or they are dumb. westerebus Jan 2014 #15
Social class is a vitally important distinction as well. Some downplay it far too much nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #19
If you ask if racism exists, you will find broad agreement. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #16
All I'm saying is we each have to be able to articulate our reality honestly, without self-censoring nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #17
I think I've demonstrated my general broad support for "speaking one's mind" lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #18
And yes, harsh truth needs to balanced with a more conciliatory aspect. I don't disagree there. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #20
Work = Force times distance. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #25
You'll forgive me if I don't get too worked up over the "silencing" of so-called "heroes" Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #21
I didn't say intaglio was a hero. He was being a complete asshole to you and that wasn't fair. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #22
I do have a Devil's Haircut. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #23
You don't appear to pull punches very often here. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2014 #26
+1 Behind the Aegis Jan 2014 #31
Maybe above all else, I try not to wade in beyond my depth. nomorenomore08 Jan 2014 #34
Thank you, Warren. nt Bonobo Jan 2014 #24
I did not know the backstory. Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #30
Boy, you are verbose! Behind the Aegis Jan 2014 #32
I have no issues with the term "white privilege" Major Nikon Jan 2014 #9
I think we can agree - Dash87 Jan 2014 #27
I think you would knock them out libodem Jan 2014 #28
Once they paint you with that brush Bonobo Jan 2014 #29
You were probably libodem Jan 2014 #33
Good one! nt Bonobo Jan 2014 #35
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