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In reply to the discussion: So, TPP and Obama. Thoughts? [View all]freshwest
(53,661 posts)52. A link to what is available from US Senate right now, and can be downloaded. American workers are
highlighted in almost all the first paragraphs as one reads. It requires '7-second thoughts' to grasp the language. Here is what I posted in reply to something who dissed the whole thing and PBO:
A DU post led me to this page:
http://thedailybanter.com/2015/04/elizabeth-warren-is-not-telling-the-truth-about-the-trans-pacific-partnership-trade-deal/
The embedded link won't post, it immediately uploads the PDF. To get what I have, read the paragraph which says this:
When Senator Warren calls TPP a top secret deal, shes not telling you the truth. Any member of Congress can see it now, and before Congress votes on it, the final deal will be posted online for 60 days. What we can see now is the USTR summary of the deal, which, granted, isnt the deal, but it isnt nothing.
Click on 'USTR summary of the deal' in that paragraph at link.
When you get it, you will find it was created by the US Senate and is entitled:
Bipartisan Congressional Trade Priorities and Accountability Act of 2015.
And it is 113 pages long.
I consider myself a proud liberal and atheist and a progressive, but I don't waste time telling anyone in such terms, so where does that come from?
And I merely referred to a post that I did not make, using a Biblical reference, to tie to yours.
As for sharing through email addresses, it can lead to doxxing. So I don't do that with anyone.
The pdf has red flags, on subjects that some at DU agree with and I don't. But the intent is protecting worker rights, business and employment, all in the USA. Not for the benefit of any other nations.
PBO has spoken against the sex trade and other forms of slavery and elminating child labor. He has addressed that we are competing with nations for whom such things ARE LEGAL. Anything that breaks that cycle benefits human beings, and American workers. These are all out of the tradition of labor for one who has learned the deeper basics and not the slogans.
I am also a unionist who worked and organized for unions, women, minorities. the Commons and mobilized against war, racism, nuclear and chemical degradation of the planet, sexism, corporate rule, homophobia, ecological destruction, and abuse of all groups for almost half a century.
Labeling me and others as a third wayer, corporatist, bootlicker, authoritarian, idol worhipper or any of the cheap names tossed around here will simply ensure a spot in my Bucket List with the RW Ignoratti.
Cha!
A DU post led me to this page:
http://thedailybanter.com/2015/04/elizabeth-warren-is-not-telling-the-truth-about-the-trans-pacific-partnership-trade-deal/
The embedded link won't post, it immediately uploads the PDF. To get what I have, read the paragraph which says this:
When Senator Warren calls TPP a top secret deal, shes not telling you the truth. Any member of Congress can see it now, and before Congress votes on it, the final deal will be posted online for 60 days. What we can see now is the USTR summary of the deal, which, granted, isnt the deal, but it isnt nothing.
Click on 'USTR summary of the deal' in that paragraph at link.
When you get it, you will find it was created by the US Senate and is entitled:
Bipartisan Congressional Trade Priorities and Accountability Act of 2015.
And it is 113 pages long.
I consider myself a proud liberal and atheist and a progressive, but I don't waste time telling anyone in such terms, so where does that come from?
And I merely referred to a post that I did not make, using a Biblical reference, to tie to yours.
As for sharing through email addresses, it can lead to doxxing. So I don't do that with anyone.
The pdf has red flags, on subjects that some at DU agree with and I don't. But the intent is protecting worker rights, business and employment, all in the USA. Not for the benefit of any other nations.
PBO has spoken against the sex trade and other forms of slavery and elminating child labor. He has addressed that we are competing with nations for whom such things ARE LEGAL. Anything that breaks that cycle benefits human beings, and American workers. These are all out of the tradition of labor for one who has learned the deeper basics and not the slogans.
I am also a unionist who worked and organized for unions, women, minorities. the Commons and mobilized against war, racism, nuclear and chemical degradation of the planet, sexism, corporate rule, homophobia, ecological destruction, and abuse of all groups for almost half a century.
Labeling me and others as a third wayer, corporatist, bootlicker, authoritarian, idol worhipper or any of the cheap names tossed around here will simply ensure a spot in my Bucket List with the RW Ignoratti.


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I have always looked at Bill Clinton and Barack Obama as old Rockefeller Republicans
rurallib
Apr 2015
#2
President Obama is a Democrat. He has excellent Democratic Accomplishments.. I don't care how
Cha
Apr 2015
#15
My problem is that Labor doesn't agree at all. That's one of them. So why?
babylonsister
Apr 2015
#4
I think the people he considers to be the most knowledgeable on the subject say it's a good thing.
PoliticAverse
Apr 2015
#6
Thanks for alerting.. what an idiotic thing to say. Shows he knows not a damn thing about the
Cha
Apr 2015
#13
Good to know I'm not the only one confused about this. Most of the arguments
lamp_shade
Apr 2015
#10
"Will massive Trans Pacific trade deal hurt American workers? Labor Secretary Thomas Perez pushes
Cha
Apr 2015
#17
A link to what is available from US Senate right now, and can be downloaded. American workers are
freshwest
Apr 2015
#52
I'll take my faith in him over hyperbole, conjecture and machinations any day.
great white snark
Apr 2015
#25
I can only think of two words and one phrase, blackmail, bribery or drank the Kool-Aid.
Cleita
Apr 2015
#26
That is inane logic. Perhaps if you read the agreement when it is available you can make your own
still_one
Apr 2015
#33
Let me clairify.....What was the last time Republicans did something that Dems did not want that....
yourout
Apr 2015
#39
Good clarification. However, I do not think all Democrats in Congress are against the TPP. That
still_one
Apr 2015
#43
This might help. It doesn't really discuss the details of TPP, but it makes very clear that
still_one
Apr 2015
#30
Actually, there will be at least 90 days for the public to weigh in through their representatives,
still_one
Apr 2015
#42
We won't know for sure until we see the final agreement, which we will see before the debate or vote
still_one
Apr 2015
#34
You're assuming that a giant agreement can be meaningfully analyzed in a very short time.
jeff47
Apr 2015
#36
I believe that there will be folks who will be able to specifically point out in the agreement, pros
still_one
Apr 2015
#40
You quote that Congressional member cannot see specifics of the legislation, but that flies counter
still_one
Apr 2015
#41
Just an observation. The discussions in this thread are so much more civil than other areas, where
still_one
Apr 2015
#44
I find it very confusing, frankly. Obama clearly believes what he's saying, & I understand ...
Hekate
May 2015
#60