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Ken Burch

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79. Bullshit. Grass is a lifelong ANTI-Nazi

Sun Apr 15, 2012, 01:33 PM

Apr 2012

He's spent every year since 1945 proving it.

He was only in their army as a conscript-same as with Helmut Schmidt and Helmut Kohl-and Pope Ratzi-if THEY weren't obligated to desert to prove that they weren't anti-Nazi, Grass wasn't either. The fact is, the only PURELY anti-Nazi figure in post-World War II West Germany was Willy Brandt-and OUR country's leaders hated him like poison.

You don't have to support an Israeli strike on Tehran to prove you're not an antisemite-especially since we all know such a strike wouldn't actually help anything.

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Israel bars German author over poem critical of its nuclear arsenal [View all] bananas Apr 2012 OP

As Valerie Plame said, getting to global zero won't be easy. nt bananas Apr 2012 #1

German author? JerseyMac Apr 2012 #2

Life long Nazi. n/t Old Union Guy Apr 2012 #3

That's not true. tabasco Apr 2012 #6

yes Günter Glass did serve in an SS Panzer unit in 1944 when he was 17 didn't he? azurnoir Apr 2012 #8

Shame on you. JackRiddler Apr 2012 #10

So are all IDF members lifelong Irgun terrorists by your asinine and simple logic? Robeysays Apr 2012 #12

If someone was in Irgun and seems to advocate for Irgun positions decades later. Kurska Apr 2012 #25

Grass isn't advocating for a Nazi position. Ken Burch Apr 2012 #34

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That's twice you've made that accusation about me Ken Burch Apr 2012 #78

Bullshit Ken Burch Apr 2012 #23

Thank you for the truth, Ken Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #24

Doesnt matter. In the end its their country and they can say who can enter it and who cant just like cstanleytech Apr 2012 #52

Ok. Ken Burch Apr 2012 #57

He was a Nazi. You can argue he isn't one anymore. Kurska Apr 2012 #58

The poem wasn't antisemitic Ken Burch Apr 2012 #65

I dont know if he is or if he isnt and frankly I dont care nor cstanleytech Apr 2012 #60

Did you realize your entire post was a run-on sentence? Ken Burch Apr 2012 #64

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You just accused me of promoting something unspeakable, because I disagreed with you about a poem. Ken Burch Apr 2012 #77

Bullshit. Grass is a lifelong ANTI-Nazi Ken Burch Apr 2012 #79

Not true LeftishBrit Apr 2012 #80

Gunter the Nazi was Waffen SS. Ruby the Liberal Apr 2012 #7

wasn't it the Waffen SS Panzer unit and for how many years was that? n/t azurnoir Apr 2012 #9

Is this why so many good authors were repeatedly blocked from publication in the US? Trillo Apr 2012 #4

I guess Mordechai Vanunu was an anti-semite, too! provis99 Apr 2012 #5

Former Waffen SS member Guther Grass barred Riftaxe Apr 2012 #11

Then we should Bar all Israelis who severed in the IDF for there life long Irgun Affiliation. Robeysays Apr 2012 #13

Well first of Irgun isn't nearly the equivalent to the Waffen SS. Kurska Apr 2012 #26

they didn't bar him for being a Nazi. provis99 Apr 2012 #14

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It's not just Israel's nuclear arsenal that needs to be destroyed, WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2012 #15

Might as well wish for a unicorn as thats as likely to happen imo. cstanleytech Apr 2012 #20

Author of "The Tin Drum". no_hypocrisy Apr 2012 #16

Wow. Godwin's Law much?? Malikshah Apr 2012 #17

thanks you got it exactly right azurnoir Apr 2012 #31

Read the poem. WHEN CRABS ROAR Apr 2012 #18

hey israel way to take the high ground while murdering people worldwide starfox172 Apr 2012 #19

It's frustrating to me that there seems to be no distinction in the minds of some XemaSab Apr 2012 #21

You're right - judging Jews by Israel is like judging Americans by George W. saras Apr 2012 #22

True primavera Apr 2012 #36

This guy was Waffen SS. Ideological apples rarely fall far from their ideological roots. Kurska Apr 2012 #27

so criticizing Israels nukes is firing a broadside at the Jewish people? azurnoir Apr 2012 #30

Calling the Jewish state the world's greatest threat to peace is. n/t Kurska Apr 2012 #37

The word you are ignoring is "drafted". PavePusher Apr 2012 #35

Part of a wartime building company. Voluntered to join the Kreigsmarine. Kurska Apr 2012 #38

Which had little to do with National Socialist sympathies, if any. PavePusher Apr 2012 #43

Back track much? Kurska Apr 2012 #44

I never said he didn't volunteer for the military. PavePusher Apr 2012 #49

Hitler youth, volunteered for service, holds anti-semitic beliefs decades later. Kurska Apr 2012 #54

I ask again for cites for your claims, please. PavePusher Apr 2012 #61

He was a Hitler youth member Kurska Apr 2012 #62

You know nothing about Günter Grass reorg Apr 2012 #63

Because you say so? n/t Kurska Apr 2012 #68

So you are claiming that anti-semitism is in the ire of the beholder? Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #66

No I'm saying it is harder to prove as objective fact than membership in an organization. Kurska Apr 2012 #67

Cites to an internet post, and an Isreali newspaper... PavePusher Apr 2012 #70

Some more actual history for you.... PavePusher Apr 2012 #50

"wartime building company"? Cite, please. n/t PavePusher Apr 2012 #51

Luftwaffenhelfer Kurska Apr 2012 #55

Too bad for Israel Arctic Dave Apr 2012 #28

LOL. Showing my ignorance, I thought BlueMTexpat Apr 2012 #29

Israel’s policy endangers world peace’ — Jakob Augstein and Gideon Levy have Gunter Grass’s back JohnyCanuck Apr 2012 #32

If you're threatened by a poem, you are clearly and unequivocally WRONG. End of story. saras Apr 2012 #33

Many people at many times have felt threatened by Nazi's. n/t Kurska Apr 2012 #39

Gunter Grass is not really any more of a Nazi than the pope is RZM Apr 2012 #40

but don't you see Bodhi BloodWave Apr 2012 #41

It is pretty odd RZM Apr 2012 #42

Except he didn't just critize Israel's nuclear weapons. Kurska Apr 2012 #45

Does that mean that DUers who say the same thing are disguised as liberals too? RZM Apr 2012 #46

If anyone is saying Israel wants to kill every Iranian and is the primary threat to world peace Kurska Apr 2012 #47

I've never heard anyone here argue the first one RZM Apr 2012 #48

Grass did not make any of these assertions reorg Apr 2012 #53

I actually read the poem. Kurska Apr 2012 #56

Your posts don't reflect that reorg Apr 2012 #59

Except he isn't talking about a war spiraling out of control. Kurska Apr 2012 #69

He clearly references reorg Apr 2012 #81

It's a lie to justify genocide. Old Union Guy Apr 2012 #75

He didn't say that at all. You didn't even read it. arikara Apr 2012 #76

Citation needed JVS Apr 2012 #82

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