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InstantGratification

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28. yep

Reply to Bluetus (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 16, 2026, 09:55 PM

Mar 16

This is looking like it will be like almost all major aviation accidents. Several breakdowns in sequence adding up to a tragedy, if any step in the chain had been broken, the accident wouldn't have happened. The military accidents sometimes have a shorter chain of failures because they have to operate closer to the margins, but there are almost always failures stacked upon failures that cause these things.

I'm done speculating on this, I was wrong. The story I told about my deployment on a KC-10 clearly didn't apply to KC-135s. My observations from a -10 deployment clearly didn't apply to -135s, but my inexperience in the tanker world as anything other than an observer stopped me from seeing that.

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I speculated on that in another thread: InstantGratification Mar 13 #6

It is almost 100% certain that the collision was with another plane involved in the refueling operation Bluetus Mar 13 #11

Correct, tankers are not normally that close InstantGratification Mar 13 #18

A question about the tanker-on-tanker scenario Bluetus Mar 14 #22

I could give you wild speculation, not much else InstantGratification Mar 15 #23

revisiting this InstantGratification Mar 16 #26

So it sounds like a "regular" collision Bluetus Mar 16 #27

yep InstantGratification Mar 16 #28

I appreciate the insights nonetheless Bluetus Mar 17 #29

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