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AZJonnie

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17. I really shouldn't put myself in a position of sounding like I'm defending those assholes, because it's not my intent
Sat Nov 1, 2025, 05:54 PM
Nov 1

As you've probably gathered, I've followed the whole saga pretty closely, and while I've seen a lot of extreme allegations, there's actually rather a paucity of hard evidence/sworn testimony to back up the more extreme allegations (I don't mean generally, they were guilty of terrible stuff, so please don't misread me on this, *only* the more extreme stuff like 11 year old's, and people held captive, organized cabals of powerful pedos, etc).

In that lawsuit, there were allegations made along those lines, and it's also true that the Estate posthumously settled the case with the USVI that was the origination of these allegations for $105M. But there was no trial, no admission of guilt, and as far as I was able to research, there was not any sworn testimony by the alleged victims, we don't know who they are, etc. And none of the *known* 15 or so victims who've come forward with their stories have made allegations that are this extreme.

So what I should've replied is simply "allegedly". And I do think there's a notable difference between allegations in a 9 digit civil case, settled without a trial or testimony, vs a 13 year old being kidnapped, raped, and discovered in a cage in someone's basement.

And I don't think it should be discounted that Epstein's pilots both testified, under oath, as Federal prosecution witnesses against Maxwell, that Epstein and Maxwell were absolutely not transporting unaccompanied minors apart from Virginia Guiffre, whom they did not know to be a minor at the time, that no sex happened on the plane, etc. Their testimony always weighs heavy on my mind when I think of what may or may not have happened on the plane, or on the island.

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Sounds like the kind of thing Epstein and Maxwell did. sop Nov 1 #1
It's absolutely abhorent. And now you don't have to go to beauty pagents - just post on social media. erronis Nov 1 #2
Sadly, there is nothing at all new about pedophiles using social media to meet and groom potential victims. ☹️ ShazzieB Nov 1 #10
It's along the lines but none of Epstein's victims (the known ones anyway) were only 13 AZJonnie Nov 1 #3
Epstein and Maxwell used psychological manipulation rather than physical imprisonment to get what they wanted. ShazzieB Nov 1 #7
Epstein didn't use basement cages, though his victims were "as young as 11," and he "held them captive" on his island. sop Nov 1 #8
I really shouldn't put myself in a position of sounding like I'm defending those assholes, because it's not my intent AZJonnie Nov 1 #17
he had them on an island Skittles Nov 2 #18
I strongly suggest that you read Virginia Giuffre's memoir, "Nobody's Girl". niyad Nov 1 #9
The world would be a better place had Epstein and Maxwell PufPuf23 Nov 1 #12
"Missing Louisiana girl, 13" raises all sorts of red flags... ultralite001 Nov 1 #4
The numbers don't exist. Just like the girls never existed. Ephemeral crimes that rich peope get away with. erronis Nov 1 #5
💔💔💔 ultralite001 Nov 1 #6
Did Trump pardon him yet? watertiger Nov 1 #11
They are getting the office ready for him in the Bureau of Prisons - he has OTJ training already! erronis Nov 1 #15
This is another reason social media must be made public utilities Warpy Nov 1 #13
Social media must be regulated. In many ways it's become as toxic and destructive as drugs, or guns. sop Nov 1 #14
Omg! They found the girl in a box!! But am glad she was found. riversedge Nov 1 #16
Well, if the head hump of the Faux pas Nov 2 #19
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