Latest Breaking News

NNadir

(36,586 posts)

34. My view is that VP Harris would have been an outstanding President...

Wed Sep 10, 2025, 01:56 PM

Sep 10

...with her Obama like grace, wit, intelligence, and decency.

Of course as President she would have made mistakes and many of us here would have complained vociferously about them.

In my view these remarks are a mistake.

It would be better to complain about the right wing media, in which I include one time liberal bastions like the NY Times and bozo Bezos's Washington Post, emboldened by a corrupt Supreme Court that authored Citizens United and is now in the act of dismantling the US Constitution.

Such remarks would be helpful.

The Biden administration was a breath of fresh air, and Ms. Harris was a part of that legacy.

I believe President Biden should have announced he wasn't running in time for primaries. That said it was a legitimate reality that he probably was the only person in 2020 who could defeat Trump. I don't think - and let's be clear it was a real possibility - that the Bernie bros would have been restrained from jumping right in. They would have lost, and now people would be cursing Biden for not running again.

Ultimately however, the fault lies with the American people. Having just seen the film version of the play Hamilton, I began thinking and reading about that founding father, and am thinking about buying and reading the Federalist papers. My preliminary internet poking around led me to understand that he actually worried about the likes of Trump and his mob of incompetent, vicious thugs and intellectual Lilliputians. That these sorts have risen to power shows a populace in free fall and decline. As much as we may not like it, the orange pedophile in the White House is on our population and no one else. We are a drunk nation.

Ms. Harris would be better served to focus on issues for the future. She has a marvelous voice, a potential force for good. These retrospective recriminations in contrast do no good. The future matters and the past with all its warnings, less so.

Our democracy, our country is collapsing. We need to focus on that more than should, coulda, so on and so on.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

5 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Ninga Dock_Yard PatSeg BarbD FakeNoose

66 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

In new book, Kamala Harris says it was reckless to let Biden make reelection decision on his own [View all] Jose Garcia Sep 10 OP

Some of the plan was brilliant, some of it handled very badly. Irish_Dem Sep 10 #1

Well that's a delicate subject bucolic_frolic Sep 10 #2

Hard to give up power Wifes husband Sep 10 #3

Biden would have beaten Trump a second time. Giving up incumbency was not smart. Blues Heron Sep 10 #4

The old Biden would have Polybius Sep 10 #8

Biden was dead in the water after the debate. Du916 Sep 10 #61

Now imagine if he stood in the race and there was a second debate that was similar to the first Polybius Sep 10 #62

Yes. That debate was predictable by 2022. We all knew it could happen. thought crime Thursday #64

That's seriously debatable Oeditpus Rex Sep 10 #12

It cost him INDEPENDENT votes in SWING STATES N/T TexasBushwhacker Sep 10 #42

14 percent of Biden voters in 2020 Oeditpus Rex Sep 10 #55

I agree Deminpenn Thursday #65

He dropped out after his staff finally told him how badly he was polling Jose Garcia Sep 10 #19

Nominating the incumbent is usually a no brainer, but... LudwigPastorius Sep 10 #35

Well, the enemy camp has one who'll get there during THIS four-year term. calimary Sep 10 #41

'Biden Old & Demented' was 99% swiftboating/projectiom from the Trump campaign. emulatorloo Sep 10 #47

I agree entirely. Joe made many good decisions in office. Raven123 Sep 10 #48

I really think he would have lost. NH Ethylene Sep 10 #49

He should have resigned mid point of his term and this would Autumn Sep 10 #5

Seriously? ihaveaquestion Sep 10 #21

Yes I'm serious. Which part did you not understand? Autumn Sep 10 #43

What I understand is that this is some sort of fantasmic wishful thinking. ihaveaquestion Sep 10 #45

So what. It's a discussion board and I made a comment. Autumn Sep 10 #46

Are you sure you want discussion of your comments? Doesn't seem like you can deal with it. ihaveaquestion Sep 10 #50

I can deal with what I posted just fine. I didn't address my comment to you, I owe you Autumn Sep 10 #54

I think that is a reasonable premise. Chemical Bill Sep 10 #59

The Atlantic has a large excerpt from 107 Days. The link is provided. 24601 Sep 10 #6

"If you love the United States enough..." Martin Eden Sep 10 #17

You're right - poor off the cuff wording on my part. n/t 24601 Sep 10 #23

Or at least preface it with BaronChocula Sep 10 #36

So Rare the Truth Akakoji Sep 10 #7

OMG! Clouds Passing Sep 10 #9

Yes and I find it very disturbing PatSeg Sep 10 #14

Where does the buck stop? Martin Eden Sep 10 #20

It was his decision. We can't assume it was anyone else's and take away his agency. ihaveaquestion Sep 10 #22

It's sickening. God it's so hard to find a Democrat who isn't madibella Sep 10 #56

Maybe ... however I still say that the US isn't ready for a black woman President FakeNoose Sep 10 #10

She has already said she won't run for Gov of CA Bengus81 Sep 10 #11

The U.S. still isn't ready for a woman president, period Oeditpus Rex Sep 10 #15

Yes ... sadly ... this is also my conclusion FakeNoose Sep 10 #16

Clinton received nearly 3M more votes in 2016 than the NAZI that lords over the US and 2.1% more votes Bengus81 Sep 10 #25

That's a separate issue iemanja Sep 10 #18

She had a lot of praise for Joe. The Dems lost. They weren't prepared. Let's stick together. twodogsbarking Sep 10 #13

I don't think this public soul searching is a great thing. LisaM Sep 10 #24

I hear you. I can't with this right now, during a 12-alarm fire Alice B. Sep 10 #29

Kamala was stuck between a rock and a hard place. Talitha Sep 10 #26

To your wondering Talitha.... RiverStone Sep 10 #31

Below, what I concluded also, plus the rest of that which you expressed... sprinkleeninow Sep 10 #39

Woulda' Coulda' Shoulda' FalloutShelter Sep 10 #27

Hate me if you want to but I would go further genxlib Sep 10 #28

Joe was the right choice in 2020 AdamGG Sep 10 #33

Hate me even more LiberalLovinLug Sep 10 #37

I wanted Bloomberg in 2020 Polybius Sep 10 #52

SO... Mike Nelson Sep 10 #30

Kamala did a superb job of mounting a campaign on short notice, but... AdamGG Sep 10 #32

My view is that VP Harris would have been an outstanding President... NNadir Sep 10 #34

I agree PatSeg Sep 10 #40

It was a terribly challenging place to be in history BaronChocula Sep 10 #38

While I don't disagree with her, Elessar Zappa Sep 10 #44

I agree with you...maybe today's current events will take the attention away from her book mtngirl47 Sep 10 #51

Not interested kacekwl Sep 10 #53

One of these days, I'm not going to write a book. usonian Sep 10 #57

Couldn't Harris have rendered some kind of opinion to Biden back in June 2023? Old Testament Libera Sep 10 #58

Help me out, my memory isn't what it used to be. Chemical Bill Sep 10 #60

So help me out here BlueSpot Sep 10 #63

Losing candidates need to point the finger at themselves, not Deminpenn Thursday #66