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21. Deadline: Legal Blog--Trump wants to prosecute flag burners. The Supreme Court has already said that's illegal
Tue Aug 26, 2025, 11:02 AM
Aug 26

The president said it was a “very sad court” that previously rejected flag-burning prosecutions on First Amendment grounds.



https://www.msnbc.com/deadline-white-house/deadline-legal-blog/trump-flag-burning-prosecute-executive-order-supreme-court-rcna227012

During the Oval Office ceremony, the president lamented that a “very sad court” — “I guess it was a 5-4 decision,” he said — “they called it freedom of speech.”

He appeared to be referring to long-standing Supreme Court precedent on the subject. In a 5-4 decision joined by Scalia, the court said in 1989’s Texas v. Johnson: “If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that the government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea itself offensive or disagreeable.”

The court sided with Gregory Lee Johnson, who burned the flag in 1984 in Dallas during the Republican National Convention. The majority recounted that Johnson participated in a political protest called the “Republican War Chest Tour” against the Reagan administration and “certain Dallas-based corporations.” The majority said Johnson was convicted for “expressive conduct” and that he “did not threaten to disturb the peace.” It said the state’s interest in “preserving the flag as a symbol of nationhood and national unity” couldn’t justify his prosecution......

With that background in mind, let’s take a closer look at the new executive order.

While its performative political aspect is clear, a notable legal aspect is the degree to which it acknowledges the limits of Trump’s power in this area. Though the order instructs the attorney general to prioritize law enforcement actions against flag-burning, it caveats these instructions by saying to do so in ways “consistent with the First Amendment” and “to the maximum extent permitted by the Constitution.”

In other words: Do everything you can, except where you can’t. It’s unclear where that leaves any enforcement actions in reality.

So, the order’s legal effect is fairly limited by its own terms, putting aside whatever chilling practical effect it might have on people’s conduct — something that can’t be ignored these days.

By its own terms, trump's latest executive order is subject to the First Amendment. This is simply a stunt by trump that has no real legal effect.

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SCOTUS has ruled that flag burning is protected by the First Amendment twice LetMyPeopleVote Aug 25 #1
"If you want a symbolic gesture . . . Journeyman Aug 25 #2
it'a amazing isn't it? how quickly we slid into nation that is ruled by decree. Javaman Aug 25 #3
Executive Orders are supposed to be "guidance" for HOW the Executive Branch agencies BumRushDaShow Aug 25 #8
I think this is what bothers me most of all. llmart Aug 25 #20
Since fascists have taken over I;m going out of my way breaking laws, as many as I can, its a new hobby ImNotGod Aug 25 #4
But dry humping our flag is still legal, right? Buddyzbuddy Aug 25 #5
So are we going to prosecute the MAGA types who have an oversized flag strapped to the rear of their vehicle where it Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 25 #6
Or BumRushDaShow Aug 25 #9
Did something that Trump never does... Homework! djacq Aug 25 #7
But laws and rulings mean nothing to the Trump regime. ificandream Aug 25 #11
Also, flag burning is one of the official ways of retiring a flag sakabatou Aug 25 #16
Can we burn the confederate flag? Nope twodogsbarking Aug 25 #10
Hah. Watch me. OldBaldy1701E Aug 25 #18
Post removed Post removed Aug 25 #12
You call yourself alphaswole and were too scared to go to a tourist area? fucking snowflake WhiskeyGrinder Aug 25 #13
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The tRump regime is the government you've been warning about for years: communist (centralized economy), authoritarian, Bernardo de La Paz Aug 25 #15
right exactly as I say, you're too chickenshit to go outside like a normal person WhiskeyGrinder Aug 25 #17
In this country, a presidential executive order cannot override a Supreme Court ruling. On flag burning, Trump doesn't a LetMyPeopleVote Aug 25 #19
Deadline: Legal Blog--Trump wants to prosecute flag burners. The Supreme Court has already said that's illegal LetMyPeopleVote Aug 26 #21
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