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jfz9580m

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71. Oh cool
Sat Aug 23, 2025, 06:45 AM
Aug 23

I was worried we were running out of non-issues to run in circles over..

Of course it’s not at all exclusively a right issue. I did kinda agree with Catherine Liu in Unherd (which is the type of conservative magazine that pretends to be independent, but they occasionally have an interesting piece).
I have seen similar critiques by other people like Musa Al Gharbi and well I don’t disagree except that it often seems that after all the critiques of their colleagues Al Gharbi etc move on with perfunctory references to the “working class” but not much more interest. It’s odd our images of groups that are reduced to mechanically used cliches.

But anyway what did interest me as a formerly instinctively alarmed about being seen as conspiratorial lameo, now cautiously considering the least conspiratorial stuff outside the strictly “banality of evil” worldview, but sans the prejudices those go with those, was this part (that sentence is an abomination but oh well..):

But this is mistaken, and any serious Left critique of the rise of identity studies — a key vector of what came to be known as woke ideas — must reckon with the granular history. In fact, the establishment of the first-ever ethnic studies departments, at the University of California, Berkeley, and San Francisco State University, was engineered by a lifetime FBI informant named Richard Aoki.

This is notable, because the upshot of Aoki’s work, and that of the wider movement he helped incept, was to defuse campus radicalism and turn would-be revolutionaries into credentialed race professionals of the kind who would soon become familiar to anyone who has faced the business end of a university diversity office or corporate HR department.

In his 2012 book, Subversives: The FBI’s War on Student Radicals and Ronald Reagan’s Rise to Power, the journalist Seth Rosenfeld used the Freedom of Information Act to extract documents from the FBI about its activities against California militant groups during the Sixties and early Seventies. In the course of his research, he discovered that Aoki, the first Asian member of the Black Panther Party, was recruited by the FBI when he was in the Army during the Fifties to inform on student radicals. Aoki, as it happens, also midwifed the Asian American Studies section of Berkeley’s ethnic-studies department, the first of its kind in the United States.

This origin story sheds a cold light on identity- and grievance-based disciplines, which were designed to emphasise “visibility” and “representation” over critically analysing and attacking capitalism itself. Other American universities would soon follow Berkeley’s path and create ethnic-studies departments to signal their commitment to progressive causes.

Thanks to identity politics, militancy and activism became institutionalised within the academy and, later, the corporation and the security apparatus. Is it possible that Aoki abandoned his early commitment to anti-Communism and had a genuine conversion to the sort of identity politics he would espouse as a chief promoter of ethnic studies? Certainly. And I am not suggesting that identity politics was solely a product of the American security establishment; life is much too complex and contingent to permit such single-cause explanations. Still, there is no denying that university-based ethnic studies came to supply a new “dialect of power”: a way for the likes of the FBI or Goldman Sachs to deflect questions about their decisions by showcasing the “diversity” of the people who make those decisions.

The point is that those of us on the Left need more discussion of the origins of identity politics, the role it has played in creating nominally progressive liberal institutions, and its complicity with defanging actual radicalism.


Pretty much the sole thing Taibbi has written lately that I agreed with was his dissection of Beverly D’Angelo.
Given the scale of right wingification in progress and with South Park etc stepping up to the plate, even when sincere, I sometimes wonder what exactly drives some left stuff that seems to generally hurt the movements it purports to be for. Lefties are human and I struggle to not be so annoying a lefty it helps the right and fail. But I do try because it seems to me that even if you are not a player, it’s common sense that if you care about any cause you want it to have wider appeal than with converts. I don’t mean “walking on eggshells”.
But refraining from alienating even reasonable people seems hard these days.
There’s this weird battle where under the surface conflict is stoked and above ground a greasy kind of love is expected societally. Something seems off..these are societies undergoing changes and almost uniformly pointless and shitty ones.

It’s such a struggle these days that I feel that there is a malicious ..well I don’t know…still reflexively skeptical about any worldview outside the banality of evil..
Too much food for thought these days and that too when one has so much work to do.. ;-/.

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i am sure that the corporate marketing department Tetrachloride Aug 22 #1
Second most hated marketing department after Sirius Cybernetics Corporation's nt Xipe Totec Aug 22 #44
FTW! LearnedHand Aug 22 #54
I'd hate to be the graphic artist who came up with the new logo. Diamond_Dog Aug 22 #2
Ugly isn't it? I_UndergroundPanther Aug 22 #37
Probably a case of Diamond_Dog Aug 22 #49
It's boring & generic. Dulcinea Aug 23 #77
Im not sure why it was not obvious drray23 Aug 22 #3
Or the decision was made after conducting focus groups comprised of Gen Z's and Millennials Auggie Aug 22 #6
What rule did MLB change to cater to the young? JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 22 #10
The intentional walk Polybius Aug 22 #11
Yeah, and all those alternate uniforms. LisaM Aug 23 #103
Also, once Miguel Cabrera was being intentionally walked, and got a hit anyway Polybius Aug 23 #106
Good old Miggy. LisaM Aug 23 #108
And lowered the pitcher's mound by an inch or so. That is to allow more home runs. 3Hotdogs Aug 22 #16
I know it was lowered in the late 1960's. Was it lowered again? JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 22 #17
Nope. WestMichRad Aug 22 #20
I've not heard about this, and can't find any verification online. Do you have a link? TheRickles Aug 22 #19
Go to the google on the internet tubes. 1969, lowered from 15 to 10 inches. 3Hotdogs Aug 22 #23
Yes, I knew about the 1969 change. Your post sounded like another, more recent change had been instituted. TheRickles Aug 22 #35
. 3Hotdogs Aug 23 #63
In an effort to make the game "more exciting" and "move faster" ... Auggie Aug 23 #68
Pitch clock to shorten the game..bigger based..limits on pick off attempts JT45242 Aug 23 #72
Doing many things to speed up the game. Only so many throws to first by the pitcher are allowed Bengus81 Aug 23 #74
Anyone know where I can get a bottle of New Coke? 3Hotdogs Aug 22 #15
I remember new coke I_UndergroundPanther Aug 22 #38
The comeback gimmick was, Classic Coke Sequoia Aug 23 #86
New Coke had a different taste and was widely promoted. This is just a logo. LeftInTX Aug 23 #88
No, the screw-up was overestimating the intelligence and emotional maturity of their customers. Paladin Aug 22 #8
I detest the new logo, so assuming it's all MAGA is a bad assumption Polybius Aug 22 #12
"I don't like changing long-time things." mwb970 Aug 22 #51
I should have been more clear, as I was referring to certain products and businesses Polybius Aug 23 #91
I've never eaten at Cracker Barrel, but if I was a customer, the new logo would not change my attitude. LeftInTX Aug 23 #89
Land O'Lakes changing their logo was an awful idea Polybius Aug 23 #92
They got rid of Eskimo Pie? How can I buy it now? LeftInTX Aug 23 #93
They changed the name to Edy's Pie, because they said "Eskimo" is no longer PC Polybius Aug 23 #95
Yeah, when I think of "Eskimo Pie", I think of cold and frozen, not people. LeftInTX Aug 23 #96
What happened in 2020? muriel_volestrangler Aug 23 #99
Nailed it MorbidButterflyTat Aug 22 #46
Waffle is decent Henry203 Aug 22 #48
Their customer base J-9 Aug 22 #53
That MorbidButterflyTat Aug 22 #60
The definition of a MAGAT is someone who panics at the unfamiliar DBoon Aug 23 #104
That's always my first thought. louis-t Aug 23 #97
Market manipulation -- short sellers saw an opportunity or were influenced ... Auggie Aug 22 #4
Or, maybe the new logo just sucks Bluetus Aug 22 #57
I seem to remember an even popsdenver Aug 23 #67
Sears DID launch a big website Bluetus Aug 23 #82
Yea popsdenver Aug 23 #109
Agree with all of that Bluetus Aug 23 #112
Didn't the same guy give himself a golden parachute of about $50 million? louis-t Aug 23 #98
A logo redesign doesn't cause a 7.2% drop in stock price Auggie Aug 23 #70
Agreed, they've been struggling for a while now. nt Shermann Aug 23 #76
Happens all the time. Bluetus Aug 23 #84
taco jr coplained about teh logo on xitter moonshinegnomie Aug 23 #111
Two words: no_hypocrisy Aug 22 #5
No ideology shade, but new logo is Shite JCMach1 Aug 22 #7
Time for private equity to buy it mdbl Aug 22 #9
Too much fuss over nothing. ificandream Aug 22 #13
This Ferrets are Cool Aug 22 #32
Exactly. Cracker Barrel's logo change became the most recent exmple of "evil wokeism" for right-wingers. sop Aug 23 #73
Disney came under lots of criticism when they changed their Aunt Jemima pancake house in Disneyland. ificandream Aug 24 #116
This message was self-deleted by its author AdamGG Aug 23 #107
One thing that we took comfort in when my MIL passed away--no more visits to Cracker Barrel Maeve Aug 22 #14
Better for your health. Their food is extremely high in sodium. Ziggysmom Aug 22 #18
However I_UndergroundPanther Aug 22 #39
Not because of the logo change Smilo Aug 22 #21
What about those upset in this thread? Polybius Aug 22 #36
I can't understand why anyone rational is "upset" about a minor change in the logo of a cheap restaurant muriel_volestrangler Aug 23 #75
It depends how we define "upset" Polybius Aug 23 #90
Are you talking about the Amazon logo change in 2000? muriel_volestrangler Aug 23 #100
No, I misspoke and, meant icon change Polybius Aug 23 #105
Ha-ha! WestMichRad Aug 22 #22
I went there in purple hair I_UndergroundPanther Aug 22 #40
I still like their Pancakes djacq Aug 22 #24
This whole thread is making me hungry pcdb Aug 23 #114
I've been around for awhile, and I even worked in advertising for a few years FakeNoose Aug 22 #25
honestly, i don't like the new logo cabotnn22 Aug 22 #26
I hate minimalism. I_UndergroundPanther Aug 22 #41
What happened to MorbidButterflyTat Aug 22 #58
I agree about the logo. ShazzieB Aug 22 #61
I love the new logo. To me, it looks like "woke" and "DEI" rolled into one image. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 22 #27
Awesome strategy ... 10 more one-percenters just sold their stock in Cracker Barrel FakeNoose Aug 22 #29
I made the mistake of eating there once leftieNanner Aug 22 #28
First World Problems ZDU Aug 22 #30
It had 100 million in value? niyad Aug 22 #31
What kind of idiot eats at a restuarant because of their logo? Or doesn't eat at a restuarant because of their logo? Ferrets are Cool Aug 22 #33
Long as they don't get rid of their meatloaf I'll be fine MichMan Aug 22 #34
This is misleading Envirogal Aug 22 #42
DOGE designed the new logo orangecrush Aug 22 #43
And the poor old man leaning on the barrel lost his job. So sad. nt JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 23 #102
Same story orangecrush Aug 23 #113
AI logo--we are seeing the future of design. coffeenap Aug 22 #45
Maybe MAGA would prefer MorbidButterflyTat Aug 22 #47
The old logo was old-fashioned and had them boxed in. mwb970 Aug 22 #50
I cabled the entire chain Henry203 Aug 22 #52
Out For Blood OC375 Aug 22 #55
The best corned beef and cabbage . . . LovelyStuff Aug 22 #56
This is a temporary stock price dip. Jacson6 Aug 22 #59
I learned today--or rather was reminded today--I'm a shareholder... Mark.b2 Aug 22 #62
If it ain't broke dont break it. mahina Aug 23 #64
it ain't broke, just increasingly old and obsolete, the new logo is just bland not woke pstokely Aug 23 #115
The crackers are really upset!!! Old Testament Libera Aug 23 #65
First there was impossible sausage on the menu Zambero Aug 23 #66
Yep. There goes Cracker Barrel. ReRe Aug 23 #69
Oh cool jfz9580m Aug 23 #71
Cracker enid602 Aug 23 #78
I like Cracker Barrel food and their prices are reasonable. They have some things you don't see other places doc03 Aug 23 #79
Triggered by a benign logo change Torchlight Aug 23 #80
Has anyone pointed out another main reason for the logo change? mwmisses4289 Aug 23 #81
This is so stupid it makes your brain ache. Vinca Aug 23 #83
I doubt most customers are shareholders. LuvLoogie Aug 23 #85
This shows how shallow this country has become LeftInTX Aug 23 #87
Just knowing I would never run into James Woods would be an incentive to eat there. Greybnk48 Aug 23 #94
Really? All of this over a freaking logo? hamsterjill Aug 23 #101
if someone is going to botcott cracker barrell over new logo they are an idiot moonshinegnomie Aug 23 #110
Why destroy a winning formula? Catering to your demographic -- nostalgic, largely older folks -- makes more sense than artemisia1 Aug 25 #117
The old logo is back! Polybius Aug 26 #118
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