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Clouds Passing

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18. Nixon was the first
Fri Aug 22, 2025, 01:34 PM
Aug 22

“President Johnson had at the time a habit of recording all of his phone conversations, and newly released tapes from 1968 detailed that the FBI had “bugged” the telephones of the South Vietnamese ambassador and of Anna Chennault, one of Nixon’s aides. Based on the tapes, says Taylor for the BBC, we learn that in the time leading up to the Paris Peace talks, “Chennault was despatched to the South Vietnamese embassy with a clear message: the South Vietnamese government should withdraw from the talks, refuse to deal with Johnson, and if Nixon was elected, they would get a much better deal.” The Atlantic Wire:

In the recently released tapes, we can hear Johnson being told about Nixon’s interference by Defence Secretary Clark Clifford. The FBI had bugged the South Vietnamese ambassadors phone. They had Chennault lobbying the ambassador on tape. Johnson was justifiably furious — he ordered Nixon’s campaign be placed under FBI surveillance. Johnson passed along a note to Nixon that he knew about the move. Nixon played like he had no idea why the South backed out, and offered to travel to Saigon to get them back to the negotiating table.

Though the basic story of Nixon’s involvement in stalling the Vietnam peace talks has been around before, the new tapes, says the Atlantic Wire, describe how President Johnson knew all about the on-goings but chose not to bring them to the public’s attention: he thought that his intended successor, Hubert Humphrey, was going to beat Nixon in the upcoming election anyway. And, by revealing that he knew about Nixon’s dealings, he’d also have to admit to having spied on the South Vietnamese ambassador.

Eventually, Nixon won by just 1 percent of the popular vote. “Once in office he escalated the war into Laos and Cambodia, with the loss of an additional 22,000 American lives, before finally settling for a peace agreement in 1973 that was within grasp in 1968,” says the BBC.”

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/

Nixon would’ve lost if Johnson would’ve spoken up.

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It's so clever that nobody sees it. usonian Aug 21 #1
Good thinking. I'm sure you're right. But... thought crime Aug 22 #20
All republican congressmen from California can thank Greg Abbot for screwing them! Omnipresent Aug 21 #2
Especially Isaa! BumRushDaShow Aug 21 #3
They don't worry about the Democrats because the Democrats follow the rule of law and do not cheat. LiberalArkie Aug 21 #4
At least that far back (2000) or even before with Reagan. He did the first tinkle down.... Bengus81 Aug 21 #6
I figure that they guessed that the Democrats would just roll over with the Reagan-Carter deal. But LiberalArkie Aug 21 #7
Nixon was the first Clouds Passing Aug 22 #18
Have you ever seen that documentary of those LBJ scratchy sounding dictaphone recordings? Bengus81 Aug 22 #22
Missed those docs Clouds Passing Aug 22 #23
Yes Abstractartist Aug 22 #11
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I'm Attempting To Make The Connection Between The High Roller Problem And This Gerrymandering Problem... MayReasonRule Aug 22 #15
Yeah, I'm not sure either... Abstractartist Aug 22 #24
And kissing off a nearly $200K per year paycheck. Aw shucks........ Bengus81 Aug 21 #5
If these republican Cal. Congressmen had any brains they would petition trump and Abbot to stop this stupid shit stunt. Omnipresent Aug 21 #8
People miss the proximal cause. Igel Aug 21 #9
I would like to say, we need a better system for voters to be better represented in congress, but... Omnipresent Aug 22 #10
Some founding fathers like Hamilton even wrote about the problems of representation. thought crime Aug 22 #21
While Our Mid-Game Is Improving, We REALLY Need An 'End Game', Otherwise... MayReasonRule Aug 22 #13
That is assuming the Indies/Unaffiliated, who have become a greater and greater % of the voting public BumRushDaShow Aug 22 #14
Thank You For Pointing This Out! This Is Indeed A Known Unknown... MayReasonRule Aug 22 #16
Those folks are always fickle and apparently are able to live in an environment BumRushDaShow Aug 22 #17
That's The Unfortunate Case Here In Louisiana As Well MayReasonRule Aug 22 #19
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