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83. I saw an interesting take

Mon Jun 2, 2025, 10:02 AM

Jun 2

on another forum this morning and I'm posting it to spur discussion, not that I do or do not agree (I am in the process of vetting some of the information). Still, I found it an interesting perspective:

"This attack took 18 months to prepare. Intelligence agencies would have known. For Russia's perspective, this isn't just a Ukr operation -- its a US-backed degradation of their nuclear deterrent using treaty obligations as the vulnerability. The natural reaction is to pull out of the treaties and hide the bombers.... Now we're back to the 70s."

The implication being, Russia *had* the bombers out in the open so foreign satellites could monitor them. Now everything will be hidden and the intel value will be lost.

And if it can happen to Russia, it can happen to the US.

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Zelenskyy Kept Trump In The Dark And Didn't Tell Him About Attack On Russian Bombers [View all] riversedge Jun 1 OP

TSF turned his back on Z and there's no reason why he should have to tell him his battle plans. Deuxcents Jun 1 #1

After Trump and Jared DENVERPOPS Jun 1 #35

Might be the time to reveal a false operation The Madcap Jun 1 #2

Yup SheltieLover Jun 1 #3

Just thought the SAME THING after reading the headline. Callie1979 Jun 1 #27

I suspect they've probably already done this. FuzzyRabbit Jun 1 #42

BINGO orangecrush Jun 2 #97

shithole would have told Putin... Lovie777 Jun 1 #4

Trump has a big mouth. Srkdqltr Jun 1 #5

And thats all Callie1979 Jun 1 #28

Keeping information away from moniss Jun 1 #6

Zelensky could pass false information to Trump and see if filters to Moscow; and I don't mean Moscow Mitch. twodogsbarking Jun 1 #7

Lol! Hornedfrog2000 Jun 2 #62

I'll bet Z is not the only one who murielm99 Jun 1 #8

Did Ukraine tell anyone? Bok_Tukalo Jun 1 #9

The conflict isn't between Ukraine's European allies and Trump, House of Roberts Jun 1 #21

Need to know only! BidenRocks Jun 1 #54

Trump isn't just a security risk MadameButterfly Jun 2 #87

I have never understood how TSF can openly support Putin... Trueblue Texan Jun 2 #94

It's the opposite of what their hero Reagan stood for MadameButterfly Jun 3 #99

Zelensky did not inform Biden prior to Ukraine's Kursk incursion last autumn GregariousGroundhog Jun 2 #89

Hard to say, based on the little we are privy to. House of Roberts Jun 2 #90

Loose lips sink ships. greatauntoftriplets Jun 1 #10

And we all know, the Felon has the loosest lips when it comes to Putin. Buddyzbuddy Jun 1 #15

Except when they're stuck to Putin's butt. colorado_ufo Jun 1 #29

Next time in White House @ZelenskyyUa will wear a suit. riversedge Jun 1 #11

Includes the King of Drones. Sneederbunk Jun 1 #19

I have so much respect for Zelinsky proud patriot Jun 1 #12

Z is a smart, steadfast courageous leader. The Complete opposite of tRump. nt ImNotGod Jun 1 #13

That is interesting, I saw the opposite earlier today Nictuku Jun 1 #14

It WOULD be nice if we WERE told & kept it secret. Callie1979 Jun 1 #30

The original version of the Axios article reported that the US *was* notified. sl8 Jun 1 #34

Yes, and I just heard (on a youtube video by Greg Terry) that Axios withdrew its earlier reporting. Nictuku Jun 1 #40

"I recall someone reporting that the US" Prairie Gates Jun 1 #50

I watched about 20 videos on Ukraine today, Nictuku Jun 2 #57

I can certainly see why Ukraine would not inform the putler-loving niyad Jun 1 #16

Yes indeed! benfranklin1776 Jun 1 #24

Of course they didn't tell him. Why would they tell their enemy's best friend? Iggo Jun 1 #17

But somebody else knew beforehand... Billsdaughter Jun 1 #18

Trump has been reported to have DENVERPOPS Jun 1 #38

I just wonder.... slightlv Jun 1 #39

It's not just trump that broke that trust. LuvLoogie Jun 2 #71

Yet another smart move by Zelenskyy. (nt) Paladin Jun 1 #20

Why would Zelensky tell Mump? It was suppose to Cha Jun 1 #22

Nelson knew.. Exp Jun 1 #23

Tulsi would have been on the hotline in two minutes. rubbersole Jun 1 #25

"Likely because Trump could not be trusted." dchill Jun 1 #26

Likely my ass Iamscrewed Jun 1 #31

Hegseth would have been chatting about it on signal Walleye Jun 1 #32

trumps head is always in the dark. republianmushroom Jun 1 #33

Trump and Zelensky... different styles. Norrrm Jun 1 #36

Interestingly, the first version of the article specifically reported that the US *was* notified: sl8 Jun 1 #37

Trump probably blew a gasket and demanded Axios retract intrepidity Jun 2 #80

Trump Would Have Blabbed It To Putin DallasNE Jun 1 #41

I was so happy seeing this today ! kimbutgar Jun 1 #43

And it's not just Trump who can't be trusted - J_William_Ryan Jun 1 #44

""" AllaN01Bear Jun 1 #45

Well, I mean hildegaard28 Jun 1 #46

Smart cabotnn22 Jun 1 #47

Of COURSE NOT! Since that would be the same thing as telling Russia, Jack Valentino Jun 1 #48

"highchair hitler"!!! I nearly scared my kitty! THANK YOU!!! niyad Jun 1 #53

Ah, that wasn't mine.... got it from someone else here, can't remember who--- Jack Valentino Jun 1 #55

I am very glad that you did. niyad Jun 1 #56

Love Highchair Hitler! travelingthrulife Jun 2 #74

10 years ago American intel would have known it was coming whether or not Ukraine shared it Prairie Gates Jun 1 #49

Since Putin doesn't tell Trump when he plans a massive attack on Ukraine, Marie Marie Jun 1 #51

no one with any sense will tell the Trump Admin anything creon Jun 1 #52

Not the first time. Grins Jun 2 #58

Trump or the republicans cannot be trusted. Absolutely. JohnSJ Jun 2 #59

Time for Zekelenssky to give TACO Hassler Jun 2 #60

Trump obviously can't be trusted with ANY classified information thought crime Jun 2 #61

And putin has nobody to blame but himself. You know putin told trump to defund Ukraine. C Moon Jun 2 #63

Zelenskyy should plant some disinformation Old Crank Jun 2 #64

Why would Zelenskyy tell a russian asset what he was doing? Mr. Sparkle Jun 2 #65

Smart guy. You cannot trust tRump with information ecstatic Jun 2 #66

Every time I see him I think Lulu KC Jun 2 #67

Just like the Obama Administration did not tell Pakistan before they went after bin Laden. Botany Jun 2 #68

Why tell Trunp anything? He's a Russian puppet. NNadir Jun 2 #69

Several reasons Zelensky did not tell Trump. AverageOldGuy Jun 2 #70

Why Kid Berwyn Jun 2 #72

Very well written Botany Jun 2 #85

Thank you! Kid Berwyn Jun 2 #88

I thought that 2016 and Trump getting into the White House was the result of the largest international.. Botany Jun 2 #93

First rule of protecting your country from an aggressor is don't inform their spies of your intentions. MLAA Jun 2 #73

Because Trump is clearly on the Russian side and would tip off Putin. IronLionZion Jun 2 #75

Smart move lest the Traitor-in-Chief tipped off the Russians. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2 #76

Good. nt Tommy Carcetti Jun 2 #77

Thank God! get the red out Jun 2 #78

Yeah, why inform a Russian agent? Mysterian Jun 2 #79

Trump probably would take the credit tavernier Jun 2 #81

Not just Ukraine Bluetus Jun 2 #82

I saw an interesting take k_buddy762 Jun 2 #83

Trump turned his back on Ukraine - President Zelenskyy doesn't have to notifiy him of sh*t. iluvtennis Jun 2 #84

As well he should talking to TSF is talking to Putin. Dem4life1970 Jun 2 #86

Good. The President of the USA is a Putin bitch. Joinfortmill Jun 2 #91

A real leader always knows a phoney. republianmushroom Jun 2 #92

Vance wasn't in the loop either. Sneederbunk Jun 2 #95

Well....duh! Trump would have blabbed to his pal Putin. Trump is not Ukraine's ally. Martin68 Jun 2 #96

Absolutely, because Mango Mussolini Delphinus Jun 2 #98