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karynnj

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11. Given Netanyahu's pre election comments that don't just go away, Netanyahu has to
Mon Mar 30, 2015, 11:48 AM
Mar 2015

take the lead in restarting peace talks. It also likely has to be done in a pretty dramatic way -- ie with him announcing a complete settlement freeze or Israel putting out their proposal for future borders - something they have never done.

I understand why HRC made these comments -- and hate the implied even handedness of blame - especially when the Republicans are blaming Obama for the deterioration of the relationship. The fact is that Netanyahu has lied to Obama for years - most noticeably during last summer's Gaza War, where he knew the President had his hands tied and wouldn't be able to respond (for fear that it could hurt Democrats running in 2014). Then Netanyahu went beyond just lying to Obama and lied to Israel about the US position - smearing Kerry and Obama in the process - all because he did not want a ceasefire yet (because the Palestinians were being blamed for not having one) because he wanted to "mow the grass" better. Add to that his progressively strong attacks against the negotiations with Iran. The fact that he included the P5 +1 in his axis with Ian and Yemen is dumbfounding.

So far, Netanyahu has walked back on his hateful pre-election statements, which in his mind means no one should consider them - but, they were said. More importantly, he finally responded to US demands and released the Palestinian taxes that Israel collected to the PA.

Obama has already made two strong efforts - under George Mitchell and then John Kerry, both exceptionally patient and credible diplomats. Nothing has IMPROVED since those efforts both failed and - if anything, Netanyahu's actions may have made starting another effort absolutely futile and possibly harmful to US credibility - already damaged in the region by Bush's invasion of Iraq and our constant support of Israel.

This is not a time to be implying that it was a mutual failure -- I bet mommy HRC would not have taken such an even handed tone had little Chelsea's best friend punched her in the face. There are times when it really isn't both sides. The US has NOTHING to apologize to Netanyahu for - other than maybe to apologize for enabling him through the years.

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Seems like a complete dodge. nt geek tragedy Mar 2015 #1
I'm thinking smack at Obama. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #2
Nah, it's substance-free pablum that doesn't break any new ground. geek tragedy Mar 2015 #3
While I don't want HRC as our President, I do give her credit for being a damn good politician. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #4
At this point her goal is to avoid damage geek tragedy Mar 2015 #5
How would a "damn good politician" blow ALL the advantages she had in 2008 and lose the nomination? karynnj Mar 2015 #12
Hillary won all the major primaries except Illinois cosmicone Mar 2015 #13
That goes to my point on how good her political team was karynnj Mar 2015 #18
So now foriegn affairs is all about.... Geronimoe Mar 2015 #6
Geronimoe donnasgirl Mar 2015 #7
good post Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #22
Very, very disappointing. BillZBubb Mar 2015 #8
Bleh Marrah_G Mar 2015 #9
LOL L0oniX Mar 2015 #10
Given Netanyahu's pre election comments that don't just go away, Netanyahu has to karynnj Mar 2015 #11
Post removed Post removed Mar 2015 #14
I don't see anything wrong with what she said. hollowdweller Mar 2015 #15
''Just say no to Israel.'' DeSwiss Mar 2015 #16
Give them another 3 Billion father founding Mar 2015 #17
Code for more construction. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #19
"Constructive" like this? woo me with science Mar 2015 #20
Gotta keep sellin' those bombs. DeSwiss Mar 2015 #21
Sanders and Warren both supported the Israeli bombardment of Gaza in 2014. Cali_Democrat Mar 2015 #23
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