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In reply to the discussion: So...what exactly counts as "bashing the party" or "attacking Democrats" these days? [View all]NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)119. Not all ideas have merit.
Last edited Mon Sep 11, 2017, 03:37 PM - Edit history (1)
111. I'm saying that people should respond on the merits of ideas-of ANYONE's ideas.
Not all ideas have merit. Not all deserve "equal time". Think about it. Should CNN devote time to a program called "GLOBAL WARMING: Why it's a Hoax" or can you imagine something like "KKK: Their Side of the Story" on MSNBC? 
All I'm saying is the some "ideas" are obviously absurd on the face of it and many of them have already been rejected. Just because someone thinks something, that doesn't mean it's worthy of serious consideration. Time to move on... that's my best recommendation to you.
Why don't you just say what your disagreements are with the ideas themselves?
I do. We do. Many do. Continually. I think you're just not listening. People are trying to tell you something, but the message isn't getting through. Time to listen. Time to stop pouting and taking things personally. Time to think about what you're saying and consider why it is the responses you receive remain relatively consistent.
Why does what I post even matter this much to you? I'm not sure why you seem to feel it's your sworn duty to do personal takedowns on me. I'm one unimportant guy on a small, message board.
There you go again... trying to make it about you. I'm sorry, but it's not about you. (See previous.)
And I admit error constantly.
Only when pressed. Only grudgingly and halfheartedly. Never voluntarily. (We've been through this already.)
But you're holding grudges against me for things in the dead past-things that have nothing to do with anything now. Do you not ever let ANYTHING go? Do you never move on about anything at all?
It's not about me. As I'm sure you know, I'm not the only one who has questioned or challenged the things you say/write. (We've been through this already.)
I've done all I can to put the Kamala thing to rest. I said a few things ages ago that I'd forgotten until this year's Kamala threads started. I truly had forgotten them-everybody who posts here forgets at least some of the things they posted in the past-
Many people remembered the ugliness and yet you forgot. It's as if by "forgetting" it's all okay and everything is forgiven... as if it "never happened", eh? (We've been through this already.)
And I praise her now and have pledged to support her if nominated. So why are you belaboring THAT? What else do you want from me?
I wouldn't bring it up again except for your constant boasts that you "never" do anything or say anything against Democrats or the Party. When you say "never" it's NOT TRUE. Stop making untrue claims and people will stop reminding you about Kamala and how you once compared the Democratic Party to the East German Stalinists. (We've been through this already.)
And I don't claim to know it all. It's not being a know-it-all simply to post ideas.
Ideas that have been rejected by the voters. Take the hint and move on. (We've been through this already.)
Most people here post ideas. And most HRC supporters don't respond to my OPs with your unrelenting hostility.
I'm not hostile. I'm not unrelenting. I'm being truthful. By way of an analogy: sometimes there's just no pleasant way for someone to be told that they need to start using deodorant. (Not the best analogy in the world, but I think it helps to illustrate what I'm saying.)
All I'm really saying is...stop with the personal aspect of it.
It's not about you. It's about truth. It's about being realistic. It's about realizing that the primaries are over.
Are you sure you want to "go there" with the "personal aspect" accusations. Don't forget, one of us here has been accused of having "dismissive" waving smilies and "stalking" (by simply responding). If that's not making things "personal" then I don't know what is.
I don't deserve that from you and I don't think anybody else does.
As I and others have repeatedly (REPEATEDLY) told you... not everything is about you. But now, you're telling me that you're special? That you shouldn't be held accountable?
Debate and discuss...ok?
Sure. Bring some new ideas to the table. Bring some realistic ideas to the discussion. Stop "defending" Stein-voters. Stop "attacking" Hillary. Stop smearing the party. Stop blaming the party. Stop sticking-up for those who DO smear and blame the party (or who call party leaders feeble and corrupt).

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So...what exactly counts as "bashing the party" or "attacking Democrats" these days? [View all]
Ken Burch
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OP
Let's call those who want radical changes radicals. We all want to improve everything politically,
Hortensis
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#34
The problem is that NO Republicans want to create a truly representative government.
Ken Burch
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NO. The problem of this discussion is those on the farther left who feel that way.
Hortensis
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#59
You haven't been here long, but I already expected you to twist and disagree.
Hortensis
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There is a very real disconnect in your presentation and the real world. There is no common ground
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Sep 2017
#54
I don't have a website and I didn't block you. I truly want to hear what you have to say on this.
Ken Burch
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Ken Burch
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#86
Keith isn't saying that those ideas must be given up on. He didn't repudiate them himself.
Ken Burch
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#92
The fact that you believe that doesn't obligate me to stop posting in support of those ideas.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#96
I make no false claims/distortions. I don't lie. And I'm not in any "Stein faction".
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#100
Stop splitting hairs and playing word games. You're not helping your cause at all....
NurseJackie
Sep 2017
#105
Actually no. In the last few days, virtually any critique of anything the party does
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#24
And when I sent you that private message, I simply hadn't seen the sign that you didn't respond
Ken Burch
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#33
More accurately, you haven't admitted that you've posted things bashing the party
mythology
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#46
I only did that because I didn't want to break my commitment not to respond in the thread.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#61
I didn't block you, nor do I have a website. I'll look and see what happened.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#12
I'm saying that people should respond on the merits of ideas-of ANYONE's ideas.
Ken Burch
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#111
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Since when is a particular independent the only person who is qualified to speak on progressive
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