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NurseJackie

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119. Not all ideas have merit.
Mon Sep 11, 2017, 07:44 AM
Sep 2017

Last edited Mon Sep 11, 2017, 03:37 PM - Edit history (1)

111. I'm saying that people should respond on the merits of ideas-of ANYONE's ideas.
Not all ideas have merit. Not all deserve "equal time". Think about it. Should CNN devote time to a program called "GLOBAL WARMING: Why it's a Hoax" or can you imagine something like "KKK: Their Side of the Story" on MSNBC?

All I'm saying is the some "ideas" are obviously absurd on the face of it and many of them have already been rejected. Just because someone thinks something, that doesn't mean it's worthy of serious consideration. Time to move on... that's my best recommendation to you.

Why don't you just say what your disagreements are with the ideas themselves?
I do. We do. Many do. Continually. I think you're just not listening. People are trying to tell you something, but the message isn't getting through. Time to listen. Time to stop pouting and taking things personally. Time to think about what you're saying and consider why it is the responses you receive remain relatively consistent.

Why does what I post even matter this much to you? I'm not sure why you seem to feel it's your sworn duty to do personal takedowns on me. I'm one unimportant guy on a small, message board.
There you go again... trying to make it about you. I'm sorry, but it's not about you. (See previous.)

And I admit error constantly.
Only when pressed. Only grudgingly and halfheartedly. Never voluntarily. (We've been through this already.)

But you're holding grudges against me for things in the dead past-things that have nothing to do with anything now. Do you not ever let ANYTHING go? Do you never move on about anything at all?
It's not about me. As I'm sure you know, I'm not the only one who has questioned or challenged the things you say/write. (We've been through this already.)

I've done all I can to put the Kamala thing to rest. I said a few things ages ago that I'd forgotten until this year's Kamala threads started. I truly had forgotten them-everybody who posts here forgets at least some of the things they posted in the past-
Many people remembered the ugliness and yet you forgot. It's as if by "forgetting" it's all okay and everything is forgiven... as if it "never happened", eh? (We've been through this already.)

And I praise her now and have pledged to support her if nominated. So why are you belaboring THAT? What else do you want from me?
I wouldn't bring it up again except for your constant boasts that you "never" do anything or say anything against Democrats or the Party. When you say "never" it's NOT TRUE. Stop making untrue claims and people will stop reminding you about Kamala and how you once compared the Democratic Party to the East German Stalinists. (We've been through this already.)

And I don't claim to know it all. It's not being a know-it-all simply to post ideas.
Ideas that have been rejected by the voters. Take the hint and move on. (We've been through this already.)

Most people here post ideas. And most HRC supporters don't respond to my OPs with your unrelenting hostility.
I'm not hostile. I'm not unrelenting. I'm being truthful. By way of an analogy: sometimes there's just no pleasant way for someone to be told that they need to start using deodorant. (Not the best analogy in the world, but I think it helps to illustrate what I'm saying.)

All I'm really saying is...stop with the personal aspect of it.
It's not about you. It's about truth. It's about being realistic. It's about realizing that the primaries are over.

Are you sure you want to "go there" with the "personal aspect" accusations. Don't forget, one of us here has been accused of having "dismissive" waving smilies and "stalking" (by simply responding). If that's not making things "personal" then I don't know what is.

I don't deserve that from you and I don't think anybody else does.
As I and others have repeatedly (REPEATEDLY) told you... not everything is about you. But now, you're telling me that you're special? That you shouldn't be held accountable?

Debate and discuss...ok?
Sure. Bring some new ideas to the table. Bring some realistic ideas to the discussion. Stop "defending" Stein-voters. Stop "attacking" Hillary. Stop smearing the party. Stop blaming the party. Stop sticking-up for those who DO smear and blame the party (or who call party leaders feeble and corrupt).


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+1 nt Fresh_Start Sep 2017 #22
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But to be able to compromise, to have the compromise be worth anything, Ken Burch Sep 2017 #37
Check the bolding, B. If you can understand that, you can understand Hortensis Sep 2017 #40
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NO. The problem of this discussion is those on the farther left who feel that way. Hortensis Sep 2017 #59
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Well said, totally agree. bettyellen Sep 2017 #42
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Oh boy. Cannot believe I am taking the bait GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #3
well played nt msongs Sep 2017 #4
Yeah, and you won't believe what happened! GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #5
I don't have a website and I didn't block you. I truly want to hear what you have to say on this. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #11
About that... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #17
WELL done!! NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #21
Gosh I Love That Smilie Me. Sep 2017 #57
Thank you! I think it's super-cute too! I love... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #78
Actrually, Bernie's economic message wasn't rejected Ken Burch Sep 2017 #58
More about that... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #75
Jesus christ Jackie Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #77
:-D NurseJackie Sep 2017 #79
My local Democratic party is run by Sanders supporters already. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #82
My answers remain the same. Nothing changes. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #83
The message of the primary is not a rejection of all of the ideas of Bernie's campaign Ken Burch Sep 2017 #86
You're focused and obsessed with the wrong things. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #87
They didn't reject ALL, and I'm not trying to force anything on us. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #88
It was all rejected. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #89
Keith isn't saying that those ideas must be given up on. He didn't repudiate them himself. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #92
Rejected. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #93
The fact that you believe that doesn't obligate me to stop posting in support of those ideas. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #96
SSDD (as many others have noted). NurseJackie Sep 2017 #99
I make no false claims/distortions. I don't lie. And I'm not in any "Stein faction". Ken Burch Sep 2017 #100
Stop splitting hairs and playing word games. You're not helping your cause at all.... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #105
Several responses. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #108
Round and round and round we go. Wheeee! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #109
IMO clu Sep 2017 #85
He won't listen. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #90
And I thought I was hard on him! Nice! nt GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #91
I disagree. He didn't get you wrong, I think. MineralMan Sep 2017 #20
Actually no. In the last few days, virtually any critique of anything the party does Ken Burch Sep 2017 #24
Whatever you say, Ken. MineralMan Sep 2017 #25
What was ever hostile in suggesting some change in order to win more votes? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #28
And when I sent you that private message, I simply hadn't seen the sign that you didn't respond Ken Burch Sep 2017 #33
Except for that song that likened Dems to fascists? bettyellen Sep 2017 #43
More accurately, you haven't admitted that you've posted things bashing the party mythology Sep 2017 #46
I've been very careful for a long time now. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #52
Ken, if DU were the Apollo Theatre... FreepFryer Sep 2017 #53
I only did that because I didn't want to break my commitment not to respond in the thread. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #61
Same answer to all three questions: "Just, don't." (n/t) FreepFryer Sep 2017 #64
I wasn't going to. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #69
I'm not angry. Just. stop. (n/t) FreepFryer Sep 2017 #73
I had stopped by then. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #104
I have no interest in this drama of yours. JUST. STOP. (n/t) FreepFryer Sep 2017 #106
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THANK YOU Skittles Sep 2017 #8
Yes! NT Adrahil Sep 2017 #32
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+1. FreepFryer Sep 2017 #51
You are aware that just checking who Control-Z Sep 2017 #6
The people that cry and scream melman Sep 2017 #9
Where are you Ken?? GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #10
I didn't block you, nor do I have a website. I'll look and see what happened. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #12
Are your middle initials "SSDD"? justhanginon Sep 2017 #13
No. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #26
And you never have posts deleted for being offensive and insulting? Wow. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #81
Actually, I generally haven't. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #107
Actually, yes you have. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #110
I'm saying that people should respond on the merits of ideas-of ANYONE's ideas. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #111
Not all ideas have merit. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #119
Give it a fucking rest. /nt yardwork Sep 2017 #14
Your posts. betsuni Sep 2017 #15
. Squinch Sep 2017 #16
All I've been doing is working for unity Ken Burch Sep 2017 #27
I respectfully disagree.... Adrahil Sep 2017 #36
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i wasn't here in late 2016 clu Sep 2017 #48
"Clinton babykilling and one other thing"? Dude, WTF? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #62
someone mentioned the state of affairs in 2016 clu Sep 2017 #65
Here's a thought: Anything not aimed at WINGNUTS. Like these threads. UTUSN Sep 2017 #18
I do attack the right. It's just that 2016 proved that we can't win by attacking the Right. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #29
When you actually do get to analysis... Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #38
I'll expand on it, then. I base my analysis on the fact that, in the 2016 campaign, Ken Burch Sep 2017 #47
I didn't say to stay with it. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #56
I made no false assumption. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #60
posts of legit news event are exempt as far as i am concerned. mopinko Sep 2017 #19
Imagine extending the courtesy that you want extended to progressives Fresh_Start Sep 2017 #23
I agree with much of that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #30
I'm not responding to any of your actions Fresh_Start Sep 2017 #39
attacking sitting dems clu Sep 2017 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Skidmore Sep 2017 #49
I also think we have obligations to the downtrodden. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #50
the problem is that white working class voters as a group Fresh_Start Sep 2017 #122
I agree that that has been the pattern. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #124
there was an article published in the last two weeks Fresh_Start Sep 2017 #126
I wholly agree with you that there is no economic justice without civil rights Ken Burch Sep 2017 #129
how is such an attack manifested? clu Sep 2017 #31
I think the line should be drawn between constructive criticism and scorched-earth criticism. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #66
that corrosive statement clu Sep 2017 #67
OK, I agree with all that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #70
Anything maxrandb Sep 2017 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Sep 2017 #76
Anything that criticizes either Clinton choie Sep 2017 #80
Ain't that the truth surprised ur post not alerted dembotoz Sep 2017 #118
Since when is a particular independent the only person who is qualified to speak on progressive pnwmom Sep 2017 #94
I never argued that Bernie was the only person who could speak on progressive principles. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #97
If Bernie wants to be part of the party's future he shouldn't have left it. pnwmom Sep 2017 #98
I'm not concerned about Bernie as much as I am about winning over his supporters. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #114
The problem is that Bernie himself is making it harder to connect with his supporters, pnwmom Sep 2017 #115
You wonder (disingenuously IMO) why you get blowback? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #112
There were threads here with titles like "the voters will never elect a socialist Jew". Ken Burch Sep 2017 #113
Some Democrats are more equal than others. nt PufPuf23 Sep 2017 #95
An attack would be like when the (far) left wing of the party went after Kamala Harris. LonePirate Sep 2017 #101
I like Senator Harris and played no part in those attacks. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #103
Any, all suggestion of an open discussion is considered treason left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #102
bold faced lies about the DNC is not "open discussion" and neither are half truth when it comes uponit7771 Sep 2017 #116
Thank you for making my point left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #120
Fair enough. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #130
If you have to ask Trumpocalypse Sep 2017 #117
So, someone can not ask without being threatened? left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #121
Threatened??? Trumpocalypse Sep 2017 #131
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Well said. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #125
How about posting an out of context comment and insinuating the worst betrayal? Hekate Sep 2017 #127
I wish I knew. alarimer Sep 2017 #132
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