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In reply to the discussion: So...what exactly counts as "bashing the party" or "attacking Democrats" these days? [View all]NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)105. Stop splitting hairs and playing word games. You're not helping your cause at all....
100. I make no false claims/distortions. I don't lie. And I'm not in any "Stein faction". Never have been.
False defense. Nobody said that you were. 
As far as I know, DU has no "Stein faction". Pro-Stein posts aren't allowed here.
You're not paying close enough attention... they're here. Every defender of Susan Sarandon is part of the Stein-faction. That's true, pro-Stein posts aren't allowed, but people try anyway... or they make coy and coded posts that leave just enough wiggle room for plausible deniability.
Any that appear would be instantly deleted as far as I know.
When they screw up and make themselves known, yes. Not always "instantly"... but eventually... most of the time.
Nor is there anything anyone can do on this board about the tiny and totally irrelevant JPR cabal.
That doesn't explain your apparent obsession with them, nor does it explain the Simpson-like denials. What's that about? You still haven't bothered to explain WHY you continually defend yourself against NON-EXISTENT accusations. Tell us, please. Why the personal obsession with JPR when I've never made any accusation at all?
As to Kamala Harris, I said a handful of things ages ago, for which I've expressed regret. I will say I'm sorry about those again now.
So you admit that it was untrue when you boasted that you "never ever ever (blah blah blah)..." posted disrespectful things against Democrats.
See? That's what happens when you boast about things like that. People remember what actually happened and it comes back to haunt you. (Kinda like comparing the Democratic Party to German Stalinists... in that "humorous" way, eh? People won't forget about that for a very long time either.)
Do you hold lifetime grudges against everyone who ever, even a trivially few times, spoke of Democratic public figures I a tone of less than absolute reverence?
Comparing our great Democratic Party to East German Stalinists is hardly what I'd consider to be "trivial". Play it down all you want, but it was insulting and infuriating... and the (so called) apology was less than forthcoming and it was like pulling teeth to finally get an HONEST apology.
Here's the thing. All I'm saying is that I'm not being unreasonable and expecting people to be truthful about their past behavior and to not lie about their past indiscretions and "sins" is not "holding a grudge". I'd call it not letting you get away with telling-tales. False bragging and boasting isn't a positive trait... just so you know.
Why is it so important to you to declare every idea of the Sanders campaign off-limits?
Please stop telling tales about me. I've done no such thing and you know it. I'm just telling you that the VOTERS rejected them. Find me an actual Democratic candidate for office, or an actual Democratic party office holder who wants to present those ideas and maybe I'll consider them.
We can't recover or gain new voters without being open to new ideas and new strategies/
Flawed logic. I have no desire to reshape the Democratic Party so that it becomes palatable for the Stein-voters and other (ahem) "non-voter" ... to use the allowed euphemism.
As to Hillary, I simply said I wished she had held off on some of the comments.
Yeah, I know you do... for EIGHT TO TWELVE YEARS. That's the same thing as expressing your "wish" that she be silent. That's disrespectful. Stop splitting hairs and playing word games. You're not helping your cause at all. You do realize that, right?
I said that because I sincerely believe it only does damage to incite rage between different progressive factions
That's just another way of letting me know you think she doesn't deserve to be heard and that you think her opinions and insights are worthless. Shame on you! I'll never again believe you when you tell me that you "respect" Hillary or that you accept her as a senior member of the Democratic Party. Whether you realize it or not, you've let down your guard and revealed much more than you realize.

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So...what exactly counts as "bashing the party" or "attacking Democrats" these days? [View all]
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
OP
Let's call those who want radical changes radicals. We all want to improve everything politically,
Hortensis
Sep 2017
#34
The problem is that NO Republicans want to create a truly representative government.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#55
NO. The problem of this discussion is those on the farther left who feel that way.
Hortensis
Sep 2017
#59
You haven't been here long, but I already expected you to twist and disagree.
Hortensis
Sep 2017
#68
There is a very real disconnect in your presentation and the real world. There is no common ground
JCanete
Sep 2017
#54
I don't have a website and I didn't block you. I truly want to hear what you have to say on this.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#11
The message of the primary is not a rejection of all of the ideas of Bernie's campaign
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#86
Keith isn't saying that those ideas must be given up on. He didn't repudiate them himself.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#92
The fact that you believe that doesn't obligate me to stop posting in support of those ideas.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#96
I make no false claims/distortions. I don't lie. And I'm not in any "Stein faction".
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#100
Stop splitting hairs and playing word games. You're not helping your cause at all....
NurseJackie
Sep 2017
#105
Actually no. In the last few days, virtually any critique of anything the party does
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#24
And when I sent you that private message, I simply hadn't seen the sign that you didn't respond
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#33
More accurately, you haven't admitted that you've posted things bashing the party
mythology
Sep 2017
#46
I only did that because I didn't want to break my commitment not to respond in the thread.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#61
I didn't block you, nor do I have a website. I'll look and see what happened.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#12
I'm saying that people should respond on the merits of ideas-of ANYONE's ideas.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#111
I've done a number of posts saying he neede to take a stronger antiracist stand in public
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#45
I do attack the right. It's just that 2016 proved that we can't win by attacking the Right.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#29
I'll expand on it, then. I base my analysis on the fact that, in the 2016 campaign,
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#47
I wholly agree with you that there is no economic justice without civil rights
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#129
I think the line should be drawn between constructive criticism and scorched-earth criticism.
Willie Pep
Sep 2017
#66
Since when is a particular independent the only person who is qualified to speak on progressive
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#94
I never argued that Bernie was the only person who could speak on progressive principles.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#97
I'm not concerned about Bernie as much as I am about winning over his supporters.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#114
The problem is that Bernie himself is making it harder to connect with his supporters,
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#115
There were threads here with titles like "the voters will never elect a socialist Jew".
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#113
An attack would be like when the (far) left wing of the party went after Kamala Harris.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#101
bold faced lies about the DNC is not "open discussion" and neither are half truth when it comes
uponit7771
Sep 2017
#116
How about posting an out of context comment and insinuating the worst betrayal?
Hekate
Sep 2017
#127