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Ken Burch

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88. They didn't reject ALL, and I'm not trying to force anything on us.

Sat Sep 9, 2017, 09:09 PM

Sep 2017

The message was not that every single idea associated with Bernie's campaign was rejected. Most of the ideas are popular.

I'm simply arguing for ideas, not forcing them on anyone.

It does no harm for me simply to argue for those ideas.

Single-payer is popular. The economic justice agenda is popular. Reining in corporate control over politics is popular. Most of the actual agenda is popular.

Dismiss them all and we don't have any program that can gain majority support. Being just a part of whatever we would stand for without any Sanders-supporter backed ideas means we can never attract new voters. New voters can't be had with the ideas we offered before that.

And Keith never renounced those ideas. "Be Like Keith" does not mean never be to the left of Tom.

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So...what exactly counts as "bashing the party" or "attacking Democrats" these days? [View all] Ken Burch Sep 2017 OP

Change vs. destruction greeny2323 Sep 2017 #1

... NanceGreggs Sep 2017 #2

+1 nt Fresh_Start Sep 2017 #22

Let's call those who want radical changes radicals. We all want to improve everything politically, Hortensis Sep 2017 #34

But to be able to compromise, to have the compromise be worth anything, Ken Burch Sep 2017 #37

Check the bolding, B. If you can understand that, you can understand Hortensis Sep 2017 #40

The problem is that NO Republicans want to create a truly representative government. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #55

NO. The problem of this discussion is those on the farther left who feel that way. Hortensis Sep 2017 #59

i read the bolded text in the two posts clu Sep 2017 #63

You haven't been here long, but I already expected you to twist and disagree. Hortensis Sep 2017 #68

not to rehash in a borderline thread - not that the thread itself is bad clu Sep 2017 #71

Liberal does not equal Democratic, Conservative does not equal Republic0n exfthings Sep 2017 #128

There is a very real disconnect in your presentation and the real world. There is no common ground JCanete Sep 2017 #54

there is a point to be made about electabilty and gerrymandering clu Sep 2017 #72

Well said, totally agree. bettyellen Sep 2017 #42

OK, I agree with what you've said there in the first line. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #84

Oh boy. Cannot believe I am taking the bait GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #3

well played nt msongs Sep 2017 #4

Yeah, and you won't believe what happened! GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #5

I don't have a website and I didn't block you. I truly want to hear what you have to say on this. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #11

About that... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #17

WELL done!! NastyRiffraff Sep 2017 #21

Gosh I Love That Smilie Me. Sep 2017 #57

Thank you! I think it's super-cute too! I love... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #78

Actrually, Bernie's economic message wasn't rejected Ken Burch Sep 2017 #58

More about that... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #75

Jesus christ Jackie Eliot Rosewater Sep 2017 #77

:-D NurseJackie Sep 2017 #79

My local Democratic party is run by Sanders supporters already. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #82

My answers remain the same. Nothing changes. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #83

The message of the primary is not a rejection of all of the ideas of Bernie's campaign Ken Burch Sep 2017 #86

You're focused and obsessed with the wrong things. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #87

They didn't reject ALL, and I'm not trying to force anything on us. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #88

It was all rejected. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #89

Keith isn't saying that those ideas must be given up on. He didn't repudiate them himself. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #92

Rejected. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #93

The fact that you believe that doesn't obligate me to stop posting in support of those ideas. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #96

SSDD (as many others have noted). NurseJackie Sep 2017 #99

I make no false claims/distortions. I don't lie. And I'm not in any "Stein faction". Ken Burch Sep 2017 #100

Stop splitting hairs and playing word games. You're not helping your cause at all.... NurseJackie Sep 2017 #105

Several responses. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #108

Round and round and round we go. Wheeee! NurseJackie Sep 2017 #109

IMO clu Sep 2017 #85

He won't listen. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #90

And I thought I was hard on him! Nice! nt GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #91

I disagree. He didn't get you wrong, I think. MineralMan Sep 2017 #20

Actually no. In the last few days, virtually any critique of anything the party does Ken Burch Sep 2017 #24

Whatever you say, Ken. MineralMan Sep 2017 #25

What was ever hostile in suggesting some change in order to win more votes? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #28

And when I sent you that private message, I simply hadn't seen the sign that you didn't respond Ken Burch Sep 2017 #33

Except for that song that likened Dems to fascists? bettyellen Sep 2017 #43

More accurately, you haven't admitted that you've posted things bashing the party mythology Sep 2017 #46

I've been very careful for a long time now. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #52

Ken, if DU were the Apollo Theatre... FreepFryer Sep 2017 #53

I only did that because I didn't want to break my commitment not to respond in the thread. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #61

Same answer to all three questions: "Just, don't." (n/t) FreepFryer Sep 2017 #64

I wasn't going to. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #69

I'm not angry. Just. stop. (n/t) FreepFryer Sep 2017 #73

I had stopped by then. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #104

I have no interest in this drama of yours. JUST. STOP. (n/t) FreepFryer Sep 2017 #106

Nicely done, GulfCoast66. Control-Z Sep 2017 #7

THANK YOU Skittles Sep 2017 #8

Yes! NT Adrahil Sep 2017 #32

Glad you think "said person" should have run as an independent. n/t yodermon Sep 2017 #35

THIS! And welcome to DU. bettyellen Sep 2017 #44

+1. FreepFryer Sep 2017 #51

You are aware that just checking who Control-Z Sep 2017 #6

The people that cry and scream melman Sep 2017 #9

Where are you Ken?? GulfCoast66 Sep 2017 #10

I didn't block you, nor do I have a website. I'll look and see what happened. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #12

Are your middle initials "SSDD"? justhanginon Sep 2017 #13

No. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #26

And you never have posts deleted for being offensive and insulting? Wow. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #81

Actually, I generally haven't. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #107

Actually, yes you have. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #110

I'm saying that people should respond on the merits of ideas-of ANYONE's ideas. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #111

Not all ideas have merit. NurseJackie Sep 2017 #119

Give it a fucking rest. /nt yardwork Sep 2017 #14

Your posts. betsuni Sep 2017 #15

. Squinch Sep 2017 #16

All I've been doing is working for unity Ken Burch Sep 2017 #27

I respectfully disagree.... Adrahil Sep 2017 #36

I've done a number of posts saying he neede to take a stronger antiracist stand in public Ken Burch Sep 2017 #45

i wasn't here in late 2016 clu Sep 2017 #48

"Clinton babykilling and one other thing"? Dude, WTF? Ken Burch Sep 2017 #62

someone mentioned the state of affairs in 2016 clu Sep 2017 #65

Here's a thought: Anything not aimed at WINGNUTS. Like these threads. UTUSN Sep 2017 #18

I do attack the right. It's just that 2016 proved that we can't win by attacking the Right. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #29

When you actually do get to analysis... Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #38

I'll expand on it, then. I base my analysis on the fact that, in the 2016 campaign, Ken Burch Sep 2017 #47

I didn't say to stay with it. Weekend Warrior Sep 2017 #56

I made no false assumption. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #60

posts of legit news event are exempt as far as i am concerned. mopinko Sep 2017 #19

Imagine extending the courtesy that you want extended to progressives Fresh_Start Sep 2017 #23

I agree with much of that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #30

I'm not responding to any of your actions Fresh_Start Sep 2017 #39

attacking sitting dems clu Sep 2017 #41

This message was self-deleted by its author Skidmore Sep 2017 #49

I also think we have obligations to the downtrodden. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #50

the problem is that white working class voters as a group Fresh_Start Sep 2017 #122

I agree that that has been the pattern. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #124

there was an article published in the last two weeks Fresh_Start Sep 2017 #126

I wholly agree with you that there is no economic justice without civil rights Ken Burch Sep 2017 #129

how is such an attack manifested? clu Sep 2017 #31

I think the line should be drawn between constructive criticism and scorched-earth criticism. Willie Pep Sep 2017 #66

that corrosive statement clu Sep 2017 #67

OK, I agree with all that. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #70

Anything maxrandb Sep 2017 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Sep 2017 #76

Anything that criticizes either Clinton choie Sep 2017 #80

Ain't that the truth surprised ur post not alerted dembotoz Sep 2017 #118

Since when is a particular independent the only person who is qualified to speak on progressive pnwmom Sep 2017 #94

I never argued that Bernie was the only person who could speak on progressive principles. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #97

If Bernie wants to be part of the party's future he shouldn't have left it. pnwmom Sep 2017 #98

I'm not concerned about Bernie as much as I am about winning over his supporters. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #114

The problem is that Bernie himself is making it harder to connect with his supporters, pnwmom Sep 2017 #115

You wonder (disingenuously IMO) why you get blowback? Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #112

There were threads here with titles like "the voters will never elect a socialist Jew". Ken Burch Sep 2017 #113

Some Democrats are more equal than others. nt PufPuf23 Sep 2017 #95

An attack would be like when the (far) left wing of the party went after Kamala Harris. LonePirate Sep 2017 #101

I like Senator Harris and played no part in those attacks. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #103

Any, all suggestion of an open discussion is considered treason left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #102

bold faced lies about the DNC is not "open discussion" and neither are half truth when it comes uponit7771 Sep 2017 #116

Thank you for making my point left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #120

Fair enough. Ken Burch Sep 2017 #130

If you have to ask Trumpocalypse Sep 2017 #117

So, someone can not ask without being threatened? left-of-center2012 Sep 2017 #121

Threatened??? Trumpocalypse Sep 2017 #131

Sincerity would be a good, first step LanternWaste Sep 2017 #123

Well said. Expecting Rain Sep 2017 #125

How about posting an out of context comment and insinuating the worst betrayal? Hekate Sep 2017 #127

I wish I knew. alarimer Sep 2017 #132