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In reply to the discussion: So...what exactly counts as "bashing the party" or "attacking Democrats" these days? [View all]NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)75. More about that...
Ken Burch
58. Actrually, Bernie's economic message wasn't rejected
LOL!
58. Actrually, Bernie's economic message wasn't rejected
He lost because African-American, Latinx-American and some demographics of women didn't feel he had a strong enough public commitment to fighting social oppression.
Oh please! Give me a break! Stop blaming others. This reminds me of the "mistakes-were-made" non-apology from the other day. I'd have hoped that a lesson could have been learned, but obviously not.
I have to be honest with you. Splitting-hairs and playing word games does not help your cause. ("No, Mom... I didn't eat the cookies. I just *tasted* them until they were all gone!")

I accept their will.
How generous! 
BTW, what is it about social democracy that you actually object to? It's not unpopular and you've never said what your hostility to it is grounded it.
LOL! Logical fallacy. Reminds me of the old loaded question "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
I said I wasn't going to respond in the OP because I wanted to just read what people had to say. I was giving people a chance to just say what it was they objected to. In what universe is THAT hostile?
It's just a variation of the "drive-by" technique. One of those posts that says "I'll just leave this flaming bag of shit right here and step back to watch the fun unfold."
Why was it important to get me to respond?
To hold you accountable rather than allowing you to hide in the bushes giggling while someone stomps the flames out and gets shit all over their shoe.



And I agree with you about bringing in new voters...there's no conflict betwee trying to win over new voters and trying to turn those who abstained last time into Dem voters.
That's not what I said. Stop it.
where do you think new voters are going to come from? Most new voters would be poor. The poor would respond to a social democratic program.
Now you're just making stuff up out of whole cloth. None of this is fact-based or grounded in reality. It has nothing to do with the REAL WORLD.
All the centrists already vote. All the people who want "pro-business" policies already vote.
"All", huh? That's a very bold and specific claim. How do you know this? Can you back this up? I'd like to know more about how you know such a thing to be true.
The reason I have emphasized my stance on the next presidency is that it looks like some people think I'm covertly campaigning for the guy.
Yeah, right, uh-huh. Keep talking. Nobody is saying that, but you keep bringing it up out of the blue for no reason.
I don't want him to "take over" the party, either(and from what I can see he was never trying to). I have no objectives other than unity and victory.
I didn't say that. You need to slow down and read what I actually wrote.
I've proposed nothing that would destroy the party.
I'm not stupid. I'm smarter than you're giving me credit for. This question has been asked and answered by someone else who's even smarter than I am.
I think it's important for me to remind you (yet again) that re-asking the same question, over and over, slightly changing the word order is NOT going to change the response you get. I know you're not thrilled with the answers you get, so I'll I'm trying to do is let you know that it's a waste of time to keep nagging with so many different variations on a theme. The answer remains the same. Accept it.
So, Ken... one last thing: Have you presented your plan/s to your local Democratic Party? What's their take? How do they feel about all these Bernie-centric ideas? Are they interested? Do they think any of this will fly in the real world?

PS: Don't forget. Tell more more about how you know that "All the centrists already vote. All the people who want "pro-business" policies already vote."
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So...what exactly counts as "bashing the party" or "attacking Democrats" these days? [View all]
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
OP
Let's call those who want radical changes radicals. We all want to improve everything politically,
Hortensis
Sep 2017
#34
The problem is that NO Republicans want to create a truly representative government.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#55
NO. The problem of this discussion is those on the farther left who feel that way.
Hortensis
Sep 2017
#59
You haven't been here long, but I already expected you to twist and disagree.
Hortensis
Sep 2017
#68
There is a very real disconnect in your presentation and the real world. There is no common ground
JCanete
Sep 2017
#54
I don't have a website and I didn't block you. I truly want to hear what you have to say on this.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#11
The message of the primary is not a rejection of all of the ideas of Bernie's campaign
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#86
Keith isn't saying that those ideas must be given up on. He didn't repudiate them himself.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#92
The fact that you believe that doesn't obligate me to stop posting in support of those ideas.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#96
I make no false claims/distortions. I don't lie. And I'm not in any "Stein faction".
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#100
Stop splitting hairs and playing word games. You're not helping your cause at all....
NurseJackie
Sep 2017
#105
Actually no. In the last few days, virtually any critique of anything the party does
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#24
And when I sent you that private message, I simply hadn't seen the sign that you didn't respond
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#33
More accurately, you haven't admitted that you've posted things bashing the party
mythology
Sep 2017
#46
I only did that because I didn't want to break my commitment not to respond in the thread.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#61
I didn't block you, nor do I have a website. I'll look and see what happened.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#12
I'm saying that people should respond on the merits of ideas-of ANYONE's ideas.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#111
I've done a number of posts saying he neede to take a stronger antiracist stand in public
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#45
I do attack the right. It's just that 2016 proved that we can't win by attacking the Right.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#29
I'll expand on it, then. I base my analysis on the fact that, in the 2016 campaign,
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#47
I wholly agree with you that there is no economic justice without civil rights
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#129
I think the line should be drawn between constructive criticism and scorched-earth criticism.
Willie Pep
Sep 2017
#66
Since when is a particular independent the only person who is qualified to speak on progressive
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#94
I never argued that Bernie was the only person who could speak on progressive principles.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#97
I'm not concerned about Bernie as much as I am about winning over his supporters.
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#114
The problem is that Bernie himself is making it harder to connect with his supporters,
pnwmom
Sep 2017
#115
There were threads here with titles like "the voters will never elect a socialist Jew".
Ken Burch
Sep 2017
#113
An attack would be like when the (far) left wing of the party went after Kamala Harris.
LonePirate
Sep 2017
#101
bold faced lies about the DNC is not "open discussion" and neither are half truth when it comes
uponit7771
Sep 2017
#116
How about posting an out of context comment and insinuating the worst betrayal?
Hekate
Sep 2017
#127