General Discussion

I said he was wrong to get into the whole "identity politics" thing. There's a valid point in the observation that simply putting women or people of color, BY ITSELF, into political office, while a positive step, isn't transformative in and of itself, but he framed the whole thing insensitively.

The only things I dispute now are on things that go too far(blaming the guy for our defeat and accusing him of imitating HRC's proposals, or accusing him of not being pro-choice).

My point on that isn't as much about Bernie-he's a grown man and can take care of himself-it's about not driving his young supporters away, since we can't win if they stay home and we can't get them to the polls just by saying "the Right is horrible". And I can't see how we get them to the polls if there isn't at least some sort of admission that those people were never dismissive about racism, sexism, homo-or-trans phobia, or any other form of social oppression.

I've said many times that I don't think Bernie should run for president again.

How many more times do I have to say that?

And while I'd actually agree that he should formally join the party and find a less antagonistic way of speaking about the need for the party to change, I'm not sure it serves any purpose to make an issue of his party status or try to retroactively delegitimize his place in the last primaries. And it disturbs me that any effort to even defend his place in those primaries is automatically going to be called "refighting" or, in the newest term "religitating".