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65. Be as skeptical as you want, but yes, I have known families, and still do, who would not have enough

Wed Jul 20, 2016, 06:35 PM

Jul 2016

food to sustain their families if they didn't hunt and fish. I live in a very rural area of East Tennessee. I am originally from Miami, FL, and moved here when I was 13. It was total "culture shock"! From 1976 to 1981, when I graduated, I would say that at least 75% of the roads were unpaved, and I went to school with kids who lived in houses/farms that were handed down from their grandparents that still didn't have electricity or indoor plumbing. There are still quite a few today, and they are NOT Amish, either.

I moved back to Miami a week after I graduated. I came back to visit a few times between '81 & '83, then never came back until 2002. It hadn't changed much, and I had no problem finding places I hadn't been to in 20 years. It has changed more in the last 14 years than it had in probably the past 30 years before that, but that was due to a lot of changes in the people who ran the County as they finally retired, or just died off. Elected offices ran uncontested for years and years and even more years! There were a few "monied" families who owned, and ran, just about everything here.

Peace,

Ghost

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Why I don't really give a fuck about "assault rifles"... [View all] Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 OP

The ONLY people pushing evidence of a reduced crime is the NRA. No police-provided evidence. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #1

Police provided evidence Oneka Jul 2016 #16

Yes, there has been a drop in crime, but no direct correlation to open carry or concealed carry. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #19

But it breaks the 'more guns more crime' talking point, just the same. N/T beevul Jul 2016 #41

Why is this in GD? Squinch Jul 2016 #2

I mostly posted this as a response to the "question about guns" post, which is again... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #3

It is where gun posts go? Gobs of 'em. Seems obvious. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #4

Well there is the 2013 Report by the CDC directed by the White House DonP Jul 2016 #5

because its not new information maxsolomon Jul 2016 #6

Yeah, a lot of that research I reference in my post, and my conclusions are much the same as the... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #12

The reports conclusions are, quite literally, that more research is needed before a consensus can... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #8

I'm not sure I agree anoNY42 Jul 2016 #7

On the flip side, handgun rounds are more likely to penetrate through the house's walls NickB79 Jul 2016 #9

A couple things anoNY42 Jul 2016 #14

Try Glasers Old Codger Jul 2016 #27

Fullet metal jackets, yes, will go thru walls. That is what the military has to use. Waldorf Jul 2016 #46

The ready mag in my go to gun has 20 rds od 40grJHP varment rounds. oneshooter Jul 2016 #73

Handgun hollowpoints tend to clog and not open when going through dry materials NickB79 Jul 2016 #71

Here we go with the AR-15 is a gun needed for home defense. I recently doc03 Jul 2016 #29

I agree with you on the UBC. Even if it were open for "voluntary" compliance... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #45

Having a Texas State PTC I do not need to go through the BGC. oneshooter Jul 2016 #72

Several state plans hold the key for UBCs. We need a "model law" or reciprocity. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #79

I never said that any gun is good for home defense, where did you get that idea? Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #11

Right here anoNY42 Jul 2016 #13

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95% of DU agrees there should be more controls SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #10

" the RKBA crowd, who use misinformation," beevul Jul 2016 #40

Not a Horror at all SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #56

How many were there then? beevul Jul 2016 #58

No, I will not SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #64

Of course you wont. beevul Jul 2016 #68

Like the misinformation you were peddling about the founders intending that people... Marengo Jul 2016 #60

No one really *needs* to hunt or target shoot in the US. ronnie624 Jul 2016 #15

True, but they get touchy about you calling their hobby a hobby. n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #18

I call it a hobby - and a civil right hack89 Jul 2016 #21

True, doesn't mean its relevant in today's world... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #22

There are no "old" Supreme Court rulings that would significantly change things hack89 Jul 2016 #24

There was, and actually still might be, a ban on sawed off shotguns, the fact is... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #28

But the 2A is not an impediment to strict gun control right now. hack89 Jul 2016 #30

To a certain extent you are correct, but what if those are useless in lowing the firearms crime... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #34

I'd be hard pressed to support such a ban, when it is fairly easy to identify the <1% responsible jmg257 Jul 2016 #42

Considering the amount of gun violence Chicago has been rocked with lately, I would say... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #43

You hit the nail on the head - Chicago has not gotten the support. jmg257 Jul 2016 #47

I'm not opposed to any methodology that can reduce violent crime, I just don't want us... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #52

Public support is the only support that matters hack89 Jul 2016 #54

True, an interesting statistic is that gun ownership seems to continue to drop... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #55

It is more likely that the issue will devolve to the state level hack89 Jul 2016 #57

So Old Codger Jul 2016 #26

Is the risk from bear attacks greater than the risk from the general ownership of firearms? ronnie624 Jul 2016 #50

Do you speak Old Codger Jul 2016 #66

I've always found statistics to be much more reliable for assessing risk. n/t ronnie624 Jul 2016 #67

Actually Old Codger Jul 2016 #69

Also Old Codger Jul 2016 #70

Hunting in the sense of a sole source of sustenance bighart Jul 2016 #31

Really?? Have you ever been deep in the country, in the South, North or Mid-West, where there are a Ghost in the Machine Jul 2016 #44

Only for my entire life; ronnie624 Jul 2016 #59

Be as skeptical as you want, but yes, I have known families, and still do, who would not have enough Ghost in the Machine Jul 2016 #65

That might be some what true, but UnFettered Jul 2016 #74

The Bill of Rights was not based on "needs". former9thward Jul 2016 #75

Of course it was. ronnie624 Jul 2016 #76

It was based on rights not needs. former9thward Jul 2016 #77

Risk is assessed according to the number of people killed and injured, ronnie624 Jul 2016 #78

Take this to the Gungeon. Little Star Jul 2016 #20

Fine. Does that mean every anti-gun thread needs to go to bansalot? n/t Waldorf Jul 2016 #48

Why? GD has stuffed its gun on Guns Discussion for weeks, now... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #49

I think the focus on assault weapons is moronic, but it's where the energy is so you go with that Recursion Jul 2016 #23

It is aggravating, and the problem is that handgun violence is normalized, it happens every day... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #33

You may be happy to see the latest from Mass...the AG directive expanding their AWB to include jmg257 Jul 2016 #35

Its political theater, so they can claim they are "doing something" that actually does little to... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #37

Some target shooting involves handguns. Igel Jul 2016 #25

The justification for handguns lies in the vast amount that are used by millions of lawful citizens. jmg257 Jul 2016 #32

Not saying there aren't challenges, but precedents can be and have been overturned... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #36

That argument got snuffed out with cigarettes, why not guns. Hoyt Jul 2016 #62

No argument, if enough of a difference can be made. And some studies show the number of gun owners jmg257 Jul 2016 #63

I prefer that people use handguns and shotguns Angel Martin Jul 2016 #38

Handguns are also much more likely to be used in crime, as they are easily concealed... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #39

the rounds they use frighten the shit out of me. n/t. okieinpain Jul 2016 #51

Ok, let me know when you get hired into a school setting. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #53

George Zimmerman killing T Martin is considered a Defensive Gun Use, showing what BS that stat is. Hoyt Jul 2016 #61

I feel much the same way about Concealed Carry laws. malthaussen Jul 2016 #80

"What possible reason there could be for CC evades me." Don't underestimate fear jmg257 Jul 2016 #81

Which does not present an argument for concealment. malthaussen Jul 2016 #82

Tough call on that. Many states will only allow concealed. I think concealed keeps one from being jmg257 Jul 2016 #83