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In reply to the discussion: Why I don't really give a fuck about "assault rifles"... [View all]jmg257
(11,996 posts)47. You hit the nail on the head - Chicago has not gotten the support.
"In a city of 2.7 million people, about 1,400 are responsible for much of the violence, Mr. Johnson said, and all of them are on what the department calls its Strategic Subject List.
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We are targeting the correct individuals, Mr. Johnson said. We just need our judicial partners and our state legislators to hold these people accountable.
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We are targeting the correct individuals, Mr. Johnson said. We just need our judicial partners and our state legislators to hold these people accountable.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/24/us/armed-with-data-chicago-police-try-to-predict-who-may-shoot-or-be-shot.
While Richmond has had better luck:
"Only recently, Richmond, Calif., had among Americas highest per capita rates of gun violence. In 2009, there were 47 homicides among 100,000 residents. Officials there theorized that a few bad actors caused most of the problem. As it turned out, 70 percent of their gun violence in 2008 was caused by fewer than 1 percent of the citys residents. This isnt unique: in Cincinnati, less than 1 percent of the citys population was responsible for 74 percent of homicides in 2007.
Richmond developed an innovative, controversial program: They identified the 50 people most likely to shoot someone and engaged with them, even paying them to participate.
...From 2007 to 2012, the city experienced a 61 percent reduction in homicides."
Richmond developed an innovative, controversial program: They identified the 50 people most likely to shoot someone and engaged with them, even paying them to participate.
...From 2007 to 2012, the city experienced a 61 percent reduction in homicides."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/07/14/forget-new-gun-laws-heres-what-could-really-keep-people-from-shooting-each-other/
Newark has identified drug-related issues as a big cause for their uptick in gun violence.
"Shootings have increased by nearly half this year in Newark, bucking a trend of declining gun violence across many of New Jerseys most crime-ridden cities....
In Newark, drug trafficking, particularly of marijuana and prescription pills, is the main cause of the uptick in gun violence, said Eugene Venable, director of the Newark Police Department."
In Newark, drug trafficking, particularly of marijuana and prescription pills, is the main cause of the uptick in gun violence, said Eugene Venable, director of the Newark Police Department."
http://www.wsj.com/articles/shootings-in-newark-surge-1439945824
Anyway, I am not sure of the exact numbers, but I do know dropping 50-75% is huge chunk that seems doable, without worrying about bans, the USSC, etc.
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The ONLY people pushing evidence of a reduced crime is the NRA. No police-provided evidence.
tonyt53
Jul 2016
#1
Yes, there has been a drop in crime, but no direct correlation to open carry or concealed carry.
tonyt53
Jul 2016
#19
I mostly posted this as a response to the "question about guns" post, which is again...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2016
#3
Yeah, a lot of that research I reference in my post, and my conclusions are much the same as the...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2016
#12
The reports conclusions are, quite literally, that more research is needed before a consensus can...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2016
#8
On the flip side, handgun rounds are more likely to penetrate through the house's walls
NickB79
Jul 2016
#9
Fullet metal jackets, yes, will go thru walls. That is what the military has to use.
Waldorf
Jul 2016
#46
Handgun hollowpoints tend to clog and not open when going through dry materials
NickB79
Jul 2016
#71
I agree with you on the UBC. Even if it were open for "voluntary" compliance...
Eleanors38
Jul 2016
#45
Several state plans hold the key for UBCs. We need a "model law" or reciprocity.
Eleanors38
Jul 2016
#79
I never said that any gun is good for home defense, where did you get that idea?
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2016
#11
I was referencing designed and utility, not whether they are actually good at it, my mistake for..
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2016
#17
Like the misinformation you were peddling about the founders intending that people...
Marengo
Jul 2016
#60
There was, and actually still might be, a ban on sawed off shotguns, the fact is...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2016
#28
To a certain extent you are correct, but what if those are useless in lowing the firearms crime...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2016
#34
I'd be hard pressed to support such a ban, when it is fairly easy to identify the <1% responsible
jmg257
Jul 2016
#42
Considering the amount of gun violence Chicago has been rocked with lately, I would say...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2016
#43
I'm not opposed to any methodology that can reduce violent crime, I just don't want us...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2016
#52
True, an interesting statistic is that gun ownership seems to continue to drop...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2016
#55
Is the risk from bear attacks greater than the risk from the general ownership of firearms?
ronnie624
Jul 2016
#50
I've always found statistics to be much more reliable for assessing risk. n/t
ronnie624
Jul 2016
#67
Really?? Have you ever been deep in the country, in the South, North or Mid-West, where there are a
Ghost in the Machine
Jul 2016
#44
Be as skeptical as you want, but yes, I have known families, and still do, who would not have enough
Ghost in the Machine
Jul 2016
#65
I think the focus on assault weapons is moronic, but it's where the energy is so you go with that
Recursion
Jul 2016
#23
It is aggravating, and the problem is that handgun violence is normalized, it happens every day...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2016
#33
You may be happy to see the latest from Mass...the AG directive expanding their AWB to include
jmg257
Jul 2016
#35
Its political theater, so they can claim they are "doing something" that actually does little to...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2016
#37
The justification for handguns lies in the vast amount that are used by millions of lawful citizens.
jmg257
Jul 2016
#32
Not saying there aren't challenges, but precedents can be and have been overturned...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2016
#36
No argument, if enough of a difference can be made. And some studies show the number of gun owners
jmg257
Jul 2016
#63
Handguns are also much more likely to be used in crime, as they are easily concealed...
Humanist_Activist
Jul 2016
#39
George Zimmerman killing T Martin is considered a Defensive Gun Use, showing what BS that stat is.
Hoyt
Jul 2016
#61
"What possible reason there could be for CC evades me." Don't underestimate fear
jmg257
Jul 2016
#81