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41. But it breaks the 'more guns more crime' talking point, just the same. N/T

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Why I don't really give a fuck about "assault rifles"... [View all] Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 OP

The ONLY people pushing evidence of a reduced crime is the NRA. No police-provided evidence. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #1

Police provided evidence Oneka Jul 2016 #16

Yes, there has been a drop in crime, but no direct correlation to open carry or concealed carry. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #19

But it breaks the 'more guns more crime' talking point, just the same. N/T beevul Jul 2016 #41

Why is this in GD? Squinch Jul 2016 #2

I mostly posted this as a response to the "question about guns" post, which is again... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #3

It is where gun posts go? Gobs of 'em. Seems obvious. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #4

Well there is the 2013 Report by the CDC directed by the White House DonP Jul 2016 #5

because its not new information maxsolomon Jul 2016 #6

Yeah, a lot of that research I reference in my post, and my conclusions are much the same as the... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #12

The reports conclusions are, quite literally, that more research is needed before a consensus can... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #8

I'm not sure I agree anoNY42 Jul 2016 #7

On the flip side, handgun rounds are more likely to penetrate through the house's walls NickB79 Jul 2016 #9

A couple things anoNY42 Jul 2016 #14

Try Glasers Old Codger Jul 2016 #27

Fullet metal jackets, yes, will go thru walls. That is what the military has to use. Waldorf Jul 2016 #46

The ready mag in my go to gun has 20 rds od 40grJHP varment rounds. oneshooter Jul 2016 #73

Handgun hollowpoints tend to clog and not open when going through dry materials NickB79 Jul 2016 #71

Here we go with the AR-15 is a gun needed for home defense. I recently doc03 Jul 2016 #29

I agree with you on the UBC. Even if it were open for "voluntary" compliance... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #45

Having a Texas State PTC I do not need to go through the BGC. oneshooter Jul 2016 #72

Several state plans hold the key for UBCs. We need a "model law" or reciprocity. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #79

I never said that any gun is good for home defense, where did you get that idea? Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #11

Right here anoNY42 Jul 2016 #13

I was referencing designed and utility, not whether they are actually good at it, my mistake for.. Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #17

95% of DU agrees there should be more controls SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #10

" the RKBA crowd, who use misinformation," beevul Jul 2016 #40

Not a Horror at all SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #56

How many were there then? beevul Jul 2016 #58

No, I will not SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #64

Of course you wont. beevul Jul 2016 #68

Like the misinformation you were peddling about the founders intending that people... Marengo Jul 2016 #60

No one really *needs* to hunt or target shoot in the US. ronnie624 Jul 2016 #15

True, but they get touchy about you calling their hobby a hobby. n/t Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #18

I call it a hobby - and a civil right hack89 Jul 2016 #21

True, doesn't mean its relevant in today's world... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #22

There are no "old" Supreme Court rulings that would significantly change things hack89 Jul 2016 #24

There was, and actually still might be, a ban on sawed off shotguns, the fact is... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #28

But the 2A is not an impediment to strict gun control right now. hack89 Jul 2016 #30

To a certain extent you are correct, but what if those are useless in lowing the firearms crime... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #34

I'd be hard pressed to support such a ban, when it is fairly easy to identify the <1% responsible jmg257 Jul 2016 #42

Considering the amount of gun violence Chicago has been rocked with lately, I would say... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #43

You hit the nail on the head - Chicago has not gotten the support. jmg257 Jul 2016 #47

I'm not opposed to any methodology that can reduce violent crime, I just don't want us... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #52

Public support is the only support that matters hack89 Jul 2016 #54

True, an interesting statistic is that gun ownership seems to continue to drop... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #55

It is more likely that the issue will devolve to the state level hack89 Jul 2016 #57

So Old Codger Jul 2016 #26

Is the risk from bear attacks greater than the risk from the general ownership of firearms? ronnie624 Jul 2016 #50

Do you speak Old Codger Jul 2016 #66

I've always found statistics to be much more reliable for assessing risk. n/t ronnie624 Jul 2016 #67

Actually Old Codger Jul 2016 #69

Also Old Codger Jul 2016 #70

Hunting in the sense of a sole source of sustenance bighart Jul 2016 #31

Really?? Have you ever been deep in the country, in the South, North or Mid-West, where there are a Ghost in the Machine Jul 2016 #44

Only for my entire life; ronnie624 Jul 2016 #59

Be as skeptical as you want, but yes, I have known families, and still do, who would not have enough Ghost in the Machine Jul 2016 #65

That might be some what true, but UnFettered Jul 2016 #74

The Bill of Rights was not based on "needs". former9thward Jul 2016 #75

Of course it was. ronnie624 Jul 2016 #76

It was based on rights not needs. former9thward Jul 2016 #77

Risk is assessed according to the number of people killed and injured, ronnie624 Jul 2016 #78

Take this to the Gungeon. Little Star Jul 2016 #20

Fine. Does that mean every anti-gun thread needs to go to bansalot? n/t Waldorf Jul 2016 #48

Why? GD has stuffed its gun on Guns Discussion for weeks, now... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #49

I think the focus on assault weapons is moronic, but it's where the energy is so you go with that Recursion Jul 2016 #23

It is aggravating, and the problem is that handgun violence is normalized, it happens every day... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #33

You may be happy to see the latest from Mass...the AG directive expanding their AWB to include jmg257 Jul 2016 #35

Its political theater, so they can claim they are "doing something" that actually does little to... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #37

Some target shooting involves handguns. Igel Jul 2016 #25

The justification for handguns lies in the vast amount that are used by millions of lawful citizens. jmg257 Jul 2016 #32

Not saying there aren't challenges, but precedents can be and have been overturned... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #36

That argument got snuffed out with cigarettes, why not guns. Hoyt Jul 2016 #62

No argument, if enough of a difference can be made. And some studies show the number of gun owners jmg257 Jul 2016 #63

I prefer that people use handguns and shotguns Angel Martin Jul 2016 #38

Handguns are also much more likely to be used in crime, as they are easily concealed... Humanist_Activist Jul 2016 #39

the rounds they use frighten the shit out of me. n/t. okieinpain Jul 2016 #51

Ok, let me know when you get hired into a school setting. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #53

George Zimmerman killing T Martin is considered a Defensive Gun Use, showing what BS that stat is. Hoyt Jul 2016 #61

I feel much the same way about Concealed Carry laws. malthaussen Jul 2016 #80

"What possible reason there could be for CC evades me." Don't underestimate fear jmg257 Jul 2016 #81

Which does not present an argument for concealment. malthaussen Jul 2016 #82

Tough call on that. Many states will only allow concealed. I think concealed keeps one from being jmg257 Jul 2016 #83