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alarimer

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77. What is a viable alternative?

Thu Aug 20, 2015, 11:38 AM

Aug 2015

I'm not sure how other democracies do it. Are people automatically citizens when their parents are? Presumably that is always true.

To me, it's just simpler to declare that people born here are citizens, full-stop. Also people born elsewhere whose parents (at least one) are citizens are also citizens. The only exception are children of diplomats.

What is the alternative? A permanent underclass of people who can never be citizens because their parents are not citizens? So you grow up some place, pay taxes, go to school, do whatever people do and yet still never are allowed to really be part of the country? That's ridiculous. And undemocratic and elitist.

These racist asshole Republicans think we can make illegal immigrants go away if we ensure their children are not citizens are idiots. That will not happen.

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Birthright Citizenship in the United States, support or oppose it? [View all] CreekDog Aug 2015 OP

Neither. I'm indifferent to it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #1

so it's all about you? CreekDog Aug 2015 #2

Yes, my opinion is all about me and the world I experience. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #8

i'd respect your opinion if you were courageous enough to post it CreekDog Aug 2015 #13

I don't care IS my opinion. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #18

then you don't care if your citizenship is retroactively revoked correct? CreekDog Aug 2015 #19

Whatever. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #22

Revoking citizenship can never happen. AngryAmish Aug 2015 #30

List of denaturalized former citizens of the United States Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #37

There is a legal concept known as void ab initio AngryAmish Aug 2015 #45

We're in agreement. I was just qualifying the absolute that citizenship cannot be revoked. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #49

Oh that depends who takes power CreekDog Aug 2015 #74

For the moment, I'm generally supportive, but LWolf Aug 2015 #3

I was originally going to word the first choice CreekDog Aug 2015 #7

How would you expand it? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #15

That would be start. ZombieHorde Aug 2015 #59

I guess I was thinking about LWolf Aug 2015 #25

+1 Be great to be able to live anywhere you wanted, wouldn't it? Live and Learn Aug 2015 #70

Not completely alone. :) nt LWolf Aug 2015 #73

Yeah, I think most of our laws should apply to everyone Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #11

I like the way you think, LWolf. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2015 #60

The word nation came to English from the Old French word nacion, which in turn originates Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #4

I want birthright citizenship eliminated Gormy Cuss Aug 2015 #5

It's a constitution issue JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #6

it's an issue if candidates are running on making changes to it CreekDog Aug 2015 #9

Good luck to them. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #12

wait, you said you don't care what happens CreekDog Aug 2015 #17

Both my parents were citizens. I didn't become a citizen through 'birthright geography'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #20

in other words, because you think you couldn't be affected by any change CreekDog Aug 2015 #23

No, because I don't think that change affects anyone who actually EXISTS now. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #26

Oh, and btw Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #28

Wise decision dumbcat Aug 2015 #36

Do you think the govt. should be able to deport non-citizens who commit serious crimes? n/t pnwmom Aug 2015 #44

And my candidate is running on a JustAnotherGen Aug 2015 #47

support with great enthusiasm and pride nt geek tragedy Aug 2015 #10

I honestly don't know. I'd be interested to hear arguments for and against it. Marr Aug 2015 #14

Not voting, as I don't live in America; but on the face of it, it seems unfair not to give LeftishBrit Aug 2015 #16

I passed because I support the 14th amendment and oppose racist code language. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2015 #21

Not sure...why do most civlized countries not have it? ~nt~ b.durruti Aug 2015 #24

Do you have a list of countries who do not have it? Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #27

Google says 30 out of 194 countries have it. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #29

List them. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #31

Well, since you're too lazy to google yourself, and I'm apparently your google slave, here they are. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #34

For someone who doesn't care, you sure put a lot of effort into this Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #40

I said 30 out of 194 have it, you said 'list them'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #42

Oh, and btw, it's off to ignore for you too, toodles. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2015 #43

thanx for that list. leveymg Aug 2015 #54

here's a good diary on it--the OP is a GENIUS! geek tragedy Aug 2015 #35

Nice Work! Xipe Totec Aug 2015 #38

Universal birthright citizenship generally only exists in the Americas. Xithras Aug 2015 #39

civilized? Oh my, we've got a live one here, folks. nt geek tragedy Aug 2015 #33

That's going to get you on ignore alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #56

Neither, I'm ambivalent. Could argue either side. KittyWampus Aug 2015 #32

Pizza! Katashi_itto Aug 2015 #41

You should lose your citizenship when you hit your first million. rug Aug 2015 #46

Errrrr...What? Adrahil Aug 2015 #55

Strongly support, the history of our country indicates any other situation leads directly to TheKentuckian Aug 2015 #48

The legislators who passed the 14th Amendment did not intend Snobblevitch Aug 2015 #50

I also believe it should be couple with citizenship for their parents! napi21 Aug 2015 #51

Your son and DIL are incorrect. kiva Aug 2015 #53

Italy is such a gracious and welcoming place Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #58

I've known several women (extended family) who flew here while pregnant Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #52

Lots of so-called Democrats showing their ass on this...Trump is trolling both parties alcibiades_mystery Aug 2015 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author RandiFan1290 Aug 2015 #72

I support the 14th Amendment struggle4progress Aug 2015 #61

you have to ask? spanone Aug 2015 #62

look at the poll results, 18 folks saying no to birthright citizenship CreekDog Aug 2015 #65

sad.... guess you did have to ask. spanone Aug 2015 #66

:( yes, very sad CreekDog Aug 2015 #67

19 now spanone Aug 2015 #68

Post removed Post removed Aug 2015 #69

That's BS Renew Deal Aug 2015 #78

I only say no for one specific reason Reter Aug 2015 #76

May be debatable. moondust Aug 2015 #63

Who opposes this...or is even neutral? Conservatives? nt LexVegas Aug 2015 #64

So does that mean President Donald Trump can yuiyoshida Aug 2015 #71

definitely support it, on practical grounds treestar Aug 2015 #75

What is a viable alternative? alarimer Aug 2015 #77

I have a provisional birth certificate Generic Other Aug 2015 #79