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Beer Swiller

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156. What a fine, principled and courageous stand you have taken, Bvar22...

Mon Sep 2, 2013, 12:33 PM

Sep 2013

I salute you. My wife and I recently contacted our Democratic Congresswoman and let her know that we will be unable to support her in 2014 if she votes for authorizing military force in Syria. Period.

So you are not alone. If she does vote for the resolution, well, that doesn't mean we'll vote for the Republican. More than likely it means we just won't cast a ballot in that particular race, or maybe(gasp!) we'll vote for some independent with whom we actually agree, who was ALSO against this unnecessary and counterproductive intervention.

Like you, this is our red line.

You've hung in there and done a great job of countering every sports team analogy and "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good" counterargument that was thrown at you. Good job, sir.

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My decision is made. [View all] bvar22 Sep 2013 OP

Yes pscot Sep 2013 #1

Yes,,,, by all means Cryptoad Sep 2013 #158

maybe... nikto Sep 2013 #161

This is going to be good. ProSense Sep 2013 #2

Well, ultimately it will come down to the people vs the mic... polichick Sep 2013 #5

Well that makes it all good and ok like then. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #8

My Wife and I are absolutely serious. bvar22 Sep 2013 #9

You can't vote Goldman Sachs out of office anyway. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #11

So, ProSense Sep 2013 #12

So you're drawing your own red line? Auntie Bush Sep 2013 #19

The Supreme Court and women's rights won't mean much if we don't have a democracy anymore. A Simple Game Sep 2013 #130

What R idea would make you vote for them? Auntie Bush Sep 2013 #154

If you would take a minute to let me know, please tell me what A Simple Game Sep 2013 #190

I have never chosen "sit it out" as an option. bvar22 Sep 2013 #22

So who would you support? ProSense Sep 2013 #30

I will cross that Red Line when I come to it. bvar22 Sep 2013 #37

Well, ProSense Sep 2013 #44

Pffft. bvar22 Sep 2013 #53

LOL. ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #157

Do you have a point with this cross examination? bvar22 has integrity. Something rhett o rick Sep 2013 #74

Put it this way ProSense Sep 2013 #82

You "see the vote for DOMA has having far worse consequences for millions of Americans. " rhett o rick Sep 2013 #90

One thing I have learned as I have gotten older...never say never VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #126

One more time, Wellstone also publicly repented his DOMA vote because, unlike some politicians, dflprincess Sep 2013 #137

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #114

Some got their jobs because of donations... fadedrose Sep 2013 #17

there are leftists in power somewhere? Doctor_J Sep 2013 #100

Maybe in Reykjavik? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #160

that must be what she meant Doctor_J Sep 2013 #182

He also supported the Iraq War after the Secretary of State made a speech. rug Sep 2013 #15

He later regretted it.... AFTER the tide of Public Opinion turned against the WAR. bvar22 Sep 2013 #195

What if they threw a war and no one came. TM99 Sep 2013 #24

I've always loved that line. bvar22 Sep 2013 #77

Yes, I watched the disgusting display of propaganda TM99 Sep 2013 #84

IMO, "I think he knew" we knew "he was lying, and it bothered him." AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #162

'Zor and Zam - The Monkees 1968' Sorry couldn't embed link to song for some reason. Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #91

Apropos indeed! TM99 Sep 2013 #94

They had a few good ones, excluding most of the radio songs. Watch 'Head' sometime, total irrevence Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #191

I don't think the word 'good' applies to anything to do with war, bombs, killing people. sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #49

At least she's not using thos 'this subject is so hilarious to me' emoticons in all of the threads Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #56

Franken supported Bushco's invasion of Iraq as well. Believed that 'intel' about yellowcake. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #54

Al Franken is wrong. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #138

This. ^^^ CrispyQ Sep 2013 #148

agreed.... mike_c Sep 2013 #3

DURec leftstreet Sep 2013 #4

Send emails too fadedrose Sep 2013 #6

Seems like an incredibly silly and simplistic position to me. tritsofme Sep 2013 #7

It's called having some integrity. Maedhros Sep 2013 #13

Some people flushed integrity down the crapper long ago. zeemike Sep 2013 #21

LOL, it's called being clueless about how "democracy" works in the US MH1 Sep 2013 #25

You encourage people to vote for Libertarians? leftstreet Sep 2013 #31

I couldn't figure out what point he was trying to make either, bvar22 Sep 2013 #35

My point is that if you do not vote for the democrat you help the republican win MH1 Sep 2013 #38

Got it. bvar22 Sep 2013 #55

And that's the kind of bullshit cover they count on. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #73

If the Democrats keep doing unconscionable things Maedhros Sep 2013 #95

They tried that in 2000 creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #129

I will vote for Democrats that earn my vote. Maedhros Sep 2013 #164

Then its not about strategy creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #168

Just because there's a D behind someone's name, doesn't make them a democrat. -nt CrispyQ Sep 2013 #149

The point is, some people will never vote for any Democrat, for any reason. RC Sep 2013 #65

Only people who are no way, no how going to vote Democrat - that is my point MH1 Sep 2013 #36

How does that work though? leftstreet Sep 2013 #40

It is one step removed - a misdirection whopis01 Sep 2013 #141

I know perfectly well how democracy works in the U.S. Maedhros Sep 2013 #93

Don't give up Maedhros mick063 Sep 2013 #134

You are the clueless one MH1 mick063 Sep 2013 #133

If you are not liberal, what are you? What issues of the left dont you support? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #146

That is a common mistake made by Conservative Trolls. bvar22 Sep 2013 #205

I always ask them to identify their principles and/or how they differ from liberals, rhett o rick Sep 2013 #207

Thank You, Maedhros bvar22 Sep 2013 #29

We are NOT "watching the same insanity ... in the Drumbeat for WAR in Iraq" Martin Eden Sep 2013 #61

None of this seems familiar to you? bvar22 Sep 2013 #112

Oh, it is painfully familiar Martin Eden Sep 2013 #122

I didn't realize President Obama lied and got us stuck in a endless war in Libya Drale Sep 2013 #201

Bingo. Those here that blindly follow, dont have a clue what integrity is. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #76

Like the evidence and rationale supplied to justify this new war, bvar22 Sep 2013 #16

It's nowhere near as silly and simplistic as military intervention. sibelian Sep 2013 #85

What if their opponant in the next election is the unholy spawn of Sarah Palin & Glenn Beckk? baldguy Sep 2013 #10

That is what "they" are counting on. bvar22 Sep 2013 #18

So -write off expanded health coverage, gay rights, labor rights, voting rights, etc, etc... baldguy Sep 2013 #26

Boy you seem to think a crazed far right Republican could instantly get anything done that they wish Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #62

The people who will be hurt by that spawn winning the election MH1 Sep 2013 #28

What if the Republicans become honest and start representing the people? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #78

. baldguy Sep 2013 #105

Did you ask Sid if you could use his ridicule emoticons? How childish. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #136

This whole thread is childish. baldguy Sep 2013 #139

Your comment sounds like projection. You dont like the fact that he ISNT conforming rhett o rick Sep 2013 #144

The OP is behaiving like a two-yr-old & you're expecting the GOP to start acting honest & honorable. baldguy Sep 2013 #165

and what if pigs fly out of my ass ./nt Drale Sep 2013 #203

I'm about done with politics and voting ...too many liars. The trust will never return. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #14

I will never support anyone who takes a NEOCON position Ocelot Sep 2013 #20

I'm pretty surprised by the number of people who seem to care more about YOUR vote hughee99 Sep 2013 #23

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #34

So would you vote for white supremacist Rand Paul if he votes no? iandhr Sep 2013 #27

Almost every post that begins with bvar22 Sep 2013 #33

You didn't answer the question. iandhr Sep 2013 #39

Like I told another Smoke Blowing poster above... bvar22 Sep 2013 #58

Thats okay you just did answer the question. iandhr Sep 2013 #67

Binary idiocy. 99Forever Sep 2013 #64

I'll indulge you. iandhr Sep 2013 #66

What a pile of horseshit. 99Forever Sep 2013 #68

Sorry disagree. Puglover Sep 2013 #113

They can't help themselves. bvar22 Sep 2013 #115

Saying you will "NEVER vote for or support any senator or congressman who votes "YES" on totodeinhere Sep 2013 #118

And you had to take it down into the crap. Your post is insinuation via question. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #147

Agreed newfie11 Sep 2013 #32

rec! SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #41

Which is your prerogative Spider Jerusalem Sep 2013 #42

How many times is this? gulliver Sep 2013 #43

~50% support limited strikes Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #45

Your poll is noted. bvar22 Sep 2013 #60

Your pledge is to help (R)s gain office. Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #63

So its all just a game to you? bvar22 Sep 2013 #70

No, it is not a game to me. It is painfully real. Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #79

Further to your point, our oh-so-brave House and Senate Dem leadership made a HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #102

Daschle was probably thinking of that anthrax letter he and Senator Leahy got Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #153

You aren't loyal creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #135

The problem is some candidates aren't loyal to the party whopis01 Sep 2013 #143

Absolutely wrong. woo me with science Sep 2013 #151

We decide the values and principles together creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #163

Demanding "loyalty" does not sound very much like "working together." woo me with science Sep 2013 #174

Who creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #175

The absurdity of that response is an excellent place to stop. woo me with science Sep 2013 #179

Otrher countries and cultures have tried it YOUR way, putting Party above Principles. bvar22 Sep 2013 #155

Well then creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #159

I don't believe that DU is ready for self-appointed Party Commissars... bvar22 Sep 2013 #169

I didn't "decide" anything creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #177

Many "successes" over the years? bvar22 Sep 2013 #183

Why keep a list? creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #193

You insist that I'm not a loyal Democrat? bvar22 Sep 2013 #206

Loyalty is to principles, not a team jersey. woo me with science Sep 2013 #170

One of the smartest things that the Democratic Party could do politically totodeinhere Sep 2013 #119

thank you. I was going to make a similar point but figured why fucking bother? Number23 Sep 2013 #184

OK to Gas Kids mrchips Sep 2013 #46

Bombs and bullets make no distinction between an neverforget Sep 2013 #48

#1 I haven't see conclusive PROOF that Assad is behind the attacks. bvar22 Sep 2013 #52

Further to your point, if Karl Rove, Dan Senor, Elliott Abrams and Dick Cheney are HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #104

That really is ALL one needs to know. bvar22 Sep 2013 #117

I am so sick of the friggin hypocrisy and sanctimony. Turns out the U.S. was HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #121

this. nt navarth Sep 2013 #124

"Gas makes no distinction between an innocent baby and a soldier" RedCappedBandit Sep 2013 #127

I will sign it John Hancock style! Initech Sep 2013 #47

I have e-mailed my congressman (Ron Barber) to ask that there is no military intervention. panader0 Sep 2013 #50

+1000 sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #51

My mind was made up long ago. mick063 Sep 2013 #57

My decision is made. The CCC Sep 2013 #59

Agreed 100%. K&R 99Forever Sep 2013 #69

Same here. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #71

So if Barack Obama could run again you'd support Rand Paul over him ButterflyBlood Sep 2013 #72

Can you spell strawman? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #80

Rand Paul is worse than Obama and you know that mick063 Sep 2013 #131

Here's my signature! Plucketeer Sep 2013 #75

K&R forestpath Sep 2013 #81

I respect your point of view but I could vote for someon who supported it as long as it just hrmjustin Sep 2013 #83

K&R The interesting times are just beginning. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #86

Agreed. Nothing but Iraq redux. Another (neo) con job. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #87

I totally understand that principled and moral point of view quinnox Sep 2013 #88

Same here MissDeeds Sep 2013 #89

So if the Republicans vote against an air strike on Syria? BainsBane Sep 2013 #92

I've made it known to them. The ball is in their court now. No representation? No vote n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #96

You have got to admit customerserviceguy Sep 2013 #97

he's either the worst politician in history, or a republican Doctor_J Sep 2013 #101

You greatly overestimate the strength and intensity of oppositon to a strike on Syria... Silent3 Sep 2013 #145

I guess it depends on how things turn out customerserviceguy Sep 2013 #181

No "War For Profit." blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #98

I don't know anyone who wants this war including Republicans Redford Sep 2013 #99

Good for you bvar22. Swamp Lover Sep 2013 #103

I will be calling my rep Maxine Waters' office on Monday (again) and calling Boxer and HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #106

My first reaction was to agree with you. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #107

You could not be more mistaken than to assume I am a One Issue Voter. bvar22 Sep 2013 #116

I am not assuming you are a one issue voter Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #120

Congratulations on that "don't have to think anymore" thing ! tabasco Sep 2013 #108

As opposed to Union Scribe Sep 2013 #166

I will n/t iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #109

I couldn't agree more! nt NorthCarolina Sep 2013 #110

Well you do what you have to do to get through the day Peacetrain Sep 2013 #111

I'll join you (nt) Not Sure Sep 2013 #123

Join us mick063 Sep 2013 #132

I'm not sure how Begich feels, but Murkowski is not thrilled with the idea. Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #125

Everyone has a line that they will not cross, sooner or later. Autumn Sep 2013 #128

I refuse to be a one issue voter. B Calm Sep 2013 #140

What's missing Roy Rolling Sep 2013 #142

OH, but it is only "limited" unprovoked killing of Syrians... bvar22 Sep 2013 #204

Your decision applies to the Democratic primary, correct? Martin Eden Sep 2013 #150

The onus is not on voters to hold their nose while voting; Union Scribe Sep 2013 #167

Politicians should be better; got it. Martin Eden Sep 2013 #178

Sounds like you're "boxing yourself into a corner." mountain grammy Sep 2013 #152

What a fine, principled and courageous stand you have taken, Bvar22... Beer Swiller Sep 2013 #156

Thank You, Beer Swiller. bvar22 Sep 2013 #173

As I've told my senators and congressmen, "Your votes decides my vote." I'm with you bvar22. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #171

Thank You! bvar22 Sep 2013 #202

Wish I could but I can't DFW Sep 2013 #172

And just who is for health care for Americans? Beer Swiller Sep 2013 #180

I find your assumptions deeply off base, so we're even DFW Sep 2013 #186

Mandatory Health Insurance purchased from "Private" Corporations =/= Health Care. bvar22 Sep 2013 #189

thank you-I stand with you gopiscrap Sep 2013 #176

I applaud your integrity. However, to say "never" is a huge thing. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #185

At THIS point, bvar22 Sep 2013 #188

The centrists don't need the "black helicopter" left. mick063 Sep 2013 #187

I suspect you and others like you will soon have no one left to vote for. DCBob Sep 2013 #192

If that turns out to be the case, bvar22 Sep 2013 #197

That's admirable but it seems an exercise in futility. DCBob Sep 2013 #209

Believe it or not -- Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #198

From one Guy Fawkes avatar to another — signed. Efilroft Sul Sep 2013 #194

Thanks bvar22 Sep 2013 #208

I voted for a couple of Democrats - Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #196

I also voted for Kerry in 2004, bvar22 Sep 2013 #199

It's a helluva thing to witness. :( Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #200