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42. Which is your prerogative

Sun Sep 1, 2013, 02:00 PM

Sep 2013

personally I'm not opposed in principle to military intervention. What I'm opposed to is unilateral military intervention without a vote, and without waiting for evidence. If the UN inspectors' report supports the contention that Assad's forces used chemical weapons, and Congress votes to authorise use of force based on that? I don't really object. Although I do question the effectiveness of a "limited response". In point of fact, if the Assad regime is using chemical weapons, then it is a situation that justifies boots on the ground and regime change. Which isn't going to happen because of the lingering memory of Iraq; Bush was the boy who cried "wolf" on Saddam, and now that Assad may actually have WMD and be using them? The reaction is "we don't care".

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My decision is made. [View all] bvar22 Sep 2013 OP

Yes pscot Sep 2013 #1

Yes,,,, by all means Cryptoad Sep 2013 #158

maybe... nikto Sep 2013 #161

This is going to be good. ProSense Sep 2013 #2

Well, ultimately it will come down to the people vs the mic... polichick Sep 2013 #5

Well that makes it all good and ok like then. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2013 #8

My Wife and I are absolutely serious. bvar22 Sep 2013 #9

You can't vote Goldman Sachs out of office anyway. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #11

So, ProSense Sep 2013 #12

So you're drawing your own red line? Auntie Bush Sep 2013 #19

The Supreme Court and women's rights won't mean much if we don't have a democracy anymore. A Simple Game Sep 2013 #130

What R idea would make you vote for them? Auntie Bush Sep 2013 #154

If you would take a minute to let me know, please tell me what A Simple Game Sep 2013 #190

I have never chosen "sit it out" as an option. bvar22 Sep 2013 #22

So who would you support? ProSense Sep 2013 #30

I will cross that Red Line when I come to it. bvar22 Sep 2013 #37

Well, ProSense Sep 2013 #44

Pffft. bvar22 Sep 2013 #53

LOL. ConservativeDemocrat Sep 2013 #157

Do you have a point with this cross examination? bvar22 has integrity. Something rhett o rick Sep 2013 #74

Put it this way ProSense Sep 2013 #82

You "see the vote for DOMA has having far worse consequences for millions of Americans. " rhett o rick Sep 2013 #90

One thing I have learned as I have gotten older...never say never VanillaRhapsody Sep 2013 #126

One more time, Wellstone also publicly repented his DOMA vote because, unlike some politicians, dflprincess Sep 2013 #137

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #114

Some got their jobs because of donations... fadedrose Sep 2013 #17

there are leftists in power somewhere? Doctor_J Sep 2013 #100

Maybe in Reykjavik? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #160

that must be what she meant Doctor_J Sep 2013 #182

He also supported the Iraq War after the Secretary of State made a speech. rug Sep 2013 #15

He later regretted it.... AFTER the tide of Public Opinion turned against the WAR. bvar22 Sep 2013 #195

What if they threw a war and no one came. TM99 Sep 2013 #24

I've always loved that line. bvar22 Sep 2013 #77

Yes, I watched the disgusting display of propaganda TM99 Sep 2013 #84

IMO, "I think he knew" we knew "he was lying, and it bothered him." AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #162

'Zor and Zam - The Monkees 1968' Sorry couldn't embed link to song for some reason. Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #91

Apropos indeed! TM99 Sep 2013 #94

They had a few good ones, excluding most of the radio songs. Watch 'Head' sometime, total irrevence Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #191

I don't think the word 'good' applies to anything to do with war, bombs, killing people. sabrina 1 Sep 2013 #49

At least she's not using thos 'this subject is so hilarious to me' emoticons in all of the threads Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #56

Franken supported Bushco's invasion of Iraq as well. Believed that 'intel' about yellowcake. Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #54

Al Franken is wrong. Enthusiast Sep 2013 #138

This. ^^^ CrispyQ Sep 2013 #148

agreed.... mike_c Sep 2013 #3

DURec leftstreet Sep 2013 #4

Send emails too fadedrose Sep 2013 #6

Seems like an incredibly silly and simplistic position to me. tritsofme Sep 2013 #7

It's called having some integrity. Maedhros Sep 2013 #13

Some people flushed integrity down the crapper long ago. zeemike Sep 2013 #21

LOL, it's called being clueless about how "democracy" works in the US MH1 Sep 2013 #25

You encourage people to vote for Libertarians? leftstreet Sep 2013 #31

I couldn't figure out what point he was trying to make either, bvar22 Sep 2013 #35

My point is that if you do not vote for the democrat you help the republican win MH1 Sep 2013 #38

Got it. bvar22 Sep 2013 #55

And that's the kind of bullshit cover they count on. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #73

If the Democrats keep doing unconscionable things Maedhros Sep 2013 #95

They tried that in 2000 creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #129

I will vote for Democrats that earn my vote. Maedhros Sep 2013 #164

Then its not about strategy creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #168

Just because there's a D behind someone's name, doesn't make them a democrat. -nt CrispyQ Sep 2013 #149

The point is, some people will never vote for any Democrat, for any reason. RC Sep 2013 #65

Only people who are no way, no how going to vote Democrat - that is my point MH1 Sep 2013 #36

How does that work though? leftstreet Sep 2013 #40

It is one step removed - a misdirection whopis01 Sep 2013 #141

I know perfectly well how democracy works in the U.S. Maedhros Sep 2013 #93

Don't give up Maedhros mick063 Sep 2013 #134

You are the clueless one MH1 mick063 Sep 2013 #133

If you are not liberal, what are you? What issues of the left dont you support? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #146

That is a common mistake made by Conservative Trolls. bvar22 Sep 2013 #205

I always ask them to identify their principles and/or how they differ from liberals, rhett o rick Sep 2013 #207

Thank You, Maedhros bvar22 Sep 2013 #29

We are NOT "watching the same insanity ... in the Drumbeat for WAR in Iraq" Martin Eden Sep 2013 #61

None of this seems familiar to you? bvar22 Sep 2013 #112

Oh, it is painfully familiar Martin Eden Sep 2013 #122

I didn't realize President Obama lied and got us stuck in a endless war in Libya Drale Sep 2013 #201

Bingo. Those here that blindly follow, dont have a clue what integrity is. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #76

Like the evidence and rationale supplied to justify this new war, bvar22 Sep 2013 #16

It's nowhere near as silly and simplistic as military intervention. sibelian Sep 2013 #85

What if their opponant in the next election is the unholy spawn of Sarah Palin & Glenn Beckk? baldguy Sep 2013 #10

That is what "they" are counting on. bvar22 Sep 2013 #18

So -write off expanded health coverage, gay rights, labor rights, voting rights, etc, etc... baldguy Sep 2013 #26

Boy you seem to think a crazed far right Republican could instantly get anything done that they wish Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #62

The people who will be hurt by that spawn winning the election MH1 Sep 2013 #28

What if the Republicans become honest and start representing the people? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #78

. baldguy Sep 2013 #105

Did you ask Sid if you could use his ridicule emoticons? How childish. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #136

This whole thread is childish. baldguy Sep 2013 #139

Your comment sounds like projection. You dont like the fact that he ISNT conforming rhett o rick Sep 2013 #144

The OP is behaiving like a two-yr-old & you're expecting the GOP to start acting honest & honorable. baldguy Sep 2013 #165

and what if pigs fly out of my ass ./nt Drale Sep 2013 #203

I'm about done with politics and voting ...too many liars. The trust will never return. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #14

I will never support anyone who takes a NEOCON position Ocelot Sep 2013 #20

I'm pretty surprised by the number of people who seem to care more about YOUR vote hughee99 Sep 2013 #23

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #34

So would you vote for white supremacist Rand Paul if he votes no? iandhr Sep 2013 #27

Almost every post that begins with bvar22 Sep 2013 #33

You didn't answer the question. iandhr Sep 2013 #39

Like I told another Smoke Blowing poster above... bvar22 Sep 2013 #58

Thats okay you just did answer the question. iandhr Sep 2013 #67

Binary idiocy. 99Forever Sep 2013 #64

I'll indulge you. iandhr Sep 2013 #66

What a pile of horseshit. 99Forever Sep 2013 #68

Sorry disagree. Puglover Sep 2013 #113

They can't help themselves. bvar22 Sep 2013 #115

Saying you will "NEVER vote for or support any senator or congressman who votes "YES" on totodeinhere Sep 2013 #118

And you had to take it down into the crap. Your post is insinuation via question. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #147

Agreed newfie11 Sep 2013 #32

rec! SammyWinstonJack Sep 2013 #41

Which is your prerogative Spider Jerusalem Sep 2013 #42

How many times is this? gulliver Sep 2013 #43

~50% support limited strikes Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #45

Your poll is noted. bvar22 Sep 2013 #60

Your pledge is to help (R)s gain office. Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #63

So its all just a game to you? bvar22 Sep 2013 #70

No, it is not a game to me. It is painfully real. Motown_Johnny Sep 2013 #79

Further to your point, our oh-so-brave House and Senate Dem leadership made a HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #102

Daschle was probably thinking of that anthrax letter he and Senator Leahy got Art_from_Ark Sep 2013 #153

You aren't loyal creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #135

The problem is some candidates aren't loyal to the party whopis01 Sep 2013 #143

Absolutely wrong. woo me with science Sep 2013 #151

We decide the values and principles together creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #163

Demanding "loyalty" does not sound very much like "working together." woo me with science Sep 2013 #174

Who creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #175

The absurdity of that response is an excellent place to stop. woo me with science Sep 2013 #179

Otrher countries and cultures have tried it YOUR way, putting Party above Principles. bvar22 Sep 2013 #155

Well then creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #159

I don't believe that DU is ready for self-appointed Party Commissars... bvar22 Sep 2013 #169

I didn't "decide" anything creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #177

Many "successes" over the years? bvar22 Sep 2013 #183

Why keep a list? creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #193

You insist that I'm not a loyal Democrat? bvar22 Sep 2013 #206

Loyalty is to principles, not a team jersey. woo me with science Sep 2013 #170

One of the smartest things that the Democratic Party could do politically totodeinhere Sep 2013 #119

thank you. I was going to make a similar point but figured why fucking bother? Number23 Sep 2013 #184

OK to Gas Kids mrchips Sep 2013 #46

Bombs and bullets make no distinction between an neverforget Sep 2013 #48

#1 I haven't see conclusive PROOF that Assad is behind the attacks. bvar22 Sep 2013 #52

Further to your point, if Karl Rove, Dan Senor, Elliott Abrams and Dick Cheney are HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #104

That really is ALL one needs to know. bvar22 Sep 2013 #117

I am so sick of the friggin hypocrisy and sanctimony. Turns out the U.S. was HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #121

this. nt navarth Sep 2013 #124

"Gas makes no distinction between an innocent baby and a soldier" RedCappedBandit Sep 2013 #127

I will sign it John Hancock style! Initech Sep 2013 #47

I have e-mailed my congressman (Ron Barber) to ask that there is no military intervention. panader0 Sep 2013 #50

+1000 sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #51

My mind was made up long ago. mick063 Sep 2013 #57

My decision is made. The CCC Sep 2013 #59

Agreed 100%. K&R 99Forever Sep 2013 #69

Same here. NuclearDem Sep 2013 #71

So if Barack Obama could run again you'd support Rand Paul over him ButterflyBlood Sep 2013 #72

Can you spell strawman? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #80

Rand Paul is worse than Obama and you know that mick063 Sep 2013 #131

Here's my signature! Plucketeer Sep 2013 #75

K&R forestpath Sep 2013 #81

I respect your point of view but I could vote for someon who supported it as long as it just hrmjustin Sep 2013 #83

K&R The interesting times are just beginning. Egalitarian Thug Sep 2013 #86

Agreed. Nothing but Iraq redux. Another (neo) con job. grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #87

I totally understand that principled and moral point of view quinnox Sep 2013 #88

Same here MissDeeds Sep 2013 #89

So if the Republicans vote against an air strike on Syria? BainsBane Sep 2013 #92

I've made it known to them. The ball is in their court now. No representation? No vote n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #96

You have got to admit customerserviceguy Sep 2013 #97

he's either the worst politician in history, or a republican Doctor_J Sep 2013 #101

You greatly overestimate the strength and intensity of oppositon to a strike on Syria... Silent3 Sep 2013 #145

I guess it depends on how things turn out customerserviceguy Sep 2013 #181

No "War For Profit." blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #98

I don't know anyone who wants this war including Republicans Redford Sep 2013 #99

Good for you bvar22. Swamp Lover Sep 2013 #103

I will be calling my rep Maxine Waters' office on Monday (again) and calling Boxer and HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #106

My first reaction was to agree with you. Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #107

You could not be more mistaken than to assume I am a One Issue Voter. bvar22 Sep 2013 #116

I am not assuming you are a one issue voter Curmudgeoness Sep 2013 #120

Congratulations on that "don't have to think anymore" thing ! tabasco Sep 2013 #108

As opposed to Union Scribe Sep 2013 #166

I will n/t iamthebandfanman Sep 2013 #109

I couldn't agree more! nt NorthCarolina Sep 2013 #110

Well you do what you have to do to get through the day Peacetrain Sep 2013 #111

I'll join you (nt) Not Sure Sep 2013 #123

Join us mick063 Sep 2013 #132

I'm not sure how Begich feels, but Murkowski is not thrilled with the idea. Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #125

Everyone has a line that they will not cross, sooner or later. Autumn Sep 2013 #128

I refuse to be a one issue voter. B Calm Sep 2013 #140

What's missing Roy Rolling Sep 2013 #142

OH, but it is only "limited" unprovoked killing of Syrians... bvar22 Sep 2013 #204

Your decision applies to the Democratic primary, correct? Martin Eden Sep 2013 #150

The onus is not on voters to hold their nose while voting; Union Scribe Sep 2013 #167

Politicians should be better; got it. Martin Eden Sep 2013 #178

Sounds like you're "boxing yourself into a corner." mountain grammy Sep 2013 #152

What a fine, principled and courageous stand you have taken, Bvar22... Beer Swiller Sep 2013 #156

Thank You, Beer Swiller. bvar22 Sep 2013 #173

As I've told my senators and congressmen, "Your votes decides my vote." I'm with you bvar22. Tierra_y_Libertad Sep 2013 #171

Thank You! bvar22 Sep 2013 #202

Wish I could but I can't DFW Sep 2013 #172

And just who is for health care for Americans? Beer Swiller Sep 2013 #180

I find your assumptions deeply off base, so we're even DFW Sep 2013 #186

Mandatory Health Insurance purchased from "Private" Corporations =/= Health Care. bvar22 Sep 2013 #189

thank you-I stand with you gopiscrap Sep 2013 #176

I applaud your integrity. However, to say "never" is a huge thing. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #185

At THIS point, bvar22 Sep 2013 #188

The centrists don't need the "black helicopter" left. mick063 Sep 2013 #187

I suspect you and others like you will soon have no one left to vote for. DCBob Sep 2013 #192

If that turns out to be the case, bvar22 Sep 2013 #197

That's admirable but it seems an exercise in futility. DCBob Sep 2013 #209

Believe it or not -- Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #198

From one Guy Fawkes avatar to another — signed. Efilroft Sul Sep 2013 #194

Thanks bvar22 Sep 2013 #208

I voted for a couple of Democrats - Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #196

I also voted for Kerry in 2004, bvar22 Sep 2013 #199

It's a helluva thing to witness. :( Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2013 #200