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95. Those in our ranks who worked to derail our nominees in 2000 and 2016

Fri Jun 26, 2026, 03:43 AM

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I would hardly call them progressive. As for anyone who called Joe Biden a rapist, I will be more ashamed of her in the House than I am of Fetterman in the Senate, and yes, I know she is a cinch to win. But so she wins—do we?

Anyone can call themselves whatever they want. They are even allowed to call Joe Biden a rapist and still call themselves “progressive.” I am under no obligation to agree. Destroying the career of a solid Democratic Congressman like Dan Goldman was always possible. Was it wise? Was it beneficial? I find it hardly a “bold initiative.” Just flexing some muscle “because you can” is repeating the justification the husbands of the Stepford Wives used for killing their human wives and replacing them with obedient robot replicas: because we could.

But it remains true: going inside a church no more makes you a Christian than going inside a garage makes you a car.

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Repubics know how to energize their base The Wizard Thursday #1

No political party is perfect................... Lovie777 Thursday #2

Some Democrats are definately not comfortable with Progressive Democrats ihaveaquestion Thursday #4

What do you mean by "Slapped Around"? It seems the party moved left. 33taw Thursday #22

no, it means the voters moved the party left. ret5hd Thursday #29

Isn't that what always happens? 33taw Thursday #33

well, maybe...just maybe... ret5hd Thursday #34

Agree. 33taw Thursday #48

Centrist Democrat incumbents got beat. The voters have always leaned left of center. ihaveaquestion Thursday #30

The Democratic party is still in the middle of the road, Democratic voters have passed them up . Autumn Thursday #58

I am supporting a Progressive House candidate in my Congressional district. wnylib Thursday #67

I'm with you, Ihaveaquestion. Another Liberal Democrat here who is ready BComplex Thursday #70

I agree. Sure we got the ACA but then...middle of the road types including Demsrule86 Thursday #74

I WAS that guy ("be realistic; think pragmatically"), and I'm still that guy when it comes to the General and voting for Grown2Hate Thursday #82

Yesterday was incredibly stupid creeksneakers2 Yesterday #92

Calling progressives "looney" sure doesn't help us unite luv2fly Yesterday #93

Interesting because SocialDemocrat61 Yesterday #100

Talking nice to them doesn't work creeksneakers2 22 hrs ago #119

Getting called on an insult and then doubling down isn't a good look luv2fly 17 hrs ago #133

No, they won't. It's a "Boy Cried Wolf" scenario defined TVguyCards Yesterday #104

To the best of my knowledge, Obama never self-identified as a Communist... QueerDuck Yesterday #108

Correct TVguyCards Yesterday #111

Their insults and accusations had no teeth, and no plausibility. The absurdity allowed them to be easily dismissed... QueerDuck Yesterday #112

I'll have to disagree TVguyCards 20 hrs ago #130

LOL! Well, I love the enthusiasm, but... QueerDuck 18 hrs ago #132

I'm serious, Google it TVguyCards 4 hrs ago #135

Thanks for sharing the link! It's an interesting read... QueerDuck 4 hrs ago #137

Berne is popular in VT creeksneakers2 10 hrs ago #134

He's literally the most popular TVguyCards 4 hrs ago #136

Narrowing it to "active politicians" definitely helps his numbers... QueerDuck 3 hrs ago #138

Now that there are actual socialists they'll have evidence. creeksneakers2 21 hrs ago #125

Mainstream Dems talk... OhioBack2Blue Thursday #3

100% Blue Full Moon Yesterday #102

Yeah, the ACA sucked huh? nt LexVegas Thursday #5

It would have been much better with single payer, medicare for all sboatcar Thursday #31

Insurance companies L-O-V-E-D it! AStern Thursday #46

Why was a public option left out when democrats passed it? Emile Thursday #69

It passed the House, couldn't pass in Senate because needed 60 votes and couldn't get them. betsuni Thursday #86

Excellent post of the facts, betsuni. sheshe2 Yesterday #88

Republican playbook: 100% obstruction, Democrats without huge majorities like FDR, convince idiots to blame Dems. betsuni Yesterday #98

So the public option was excluded from the Affordable Care Act (ACA) because Democrats lacked Emile Yesterday #97

Everyone forgets our own Dem Sen. Max Baucus nixed it right out of the box... ms liberty Yesterday #105

Excellent post of facts! Emile Yesterday #106

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It kinda did Polybius Yesterday #99

Your statement is incorrect. Have you forgotten the ADA, ACA, the Family and sinkingfeeling Thursday #6

BUt how much did we really gain? if Mango and crew can dismantle JT45242 Thursday #16

The first thing we need to do is get rid of the Senister Six on the Court. BComplex Thursday #71

When Dems control both houses of Congress and the presidency, they have accomplished quite a bit Martin Eden Thursday #7

Our system needs major revamping. returnee Thursday #8

Because most Dems do not trust DSA types and a lot of DSA's are unrealistic about how politics works. LymphocyteLover Thursday #10

We laughed at Maggots and called them unrealistic in '16. 3Hotdogs Thursday #12

Is that supposed to give me confidence about electing DSA types? LymphocyteLover Thursday #19

Billionaires have a lot of power. yardwork Thursday #28

and yet the dem socialists seem to be winning actual elections moonshinegnomie Thursday #17

in NYC LymphocyteLover Thursday #20

A Muslim Socialist won in a city that has the biggest Jewish population in the world TVguyCards Thursday #61

Dem Socialists/progressives have run in recent years and not done that great in rural areas but I've nothing against the LymphocyteLover Thursday #65

I honestly don't recall any who have TVguyCards Thursday #66

In very liberal NYC mcar Thursday #42

"DSA types" ? Jilly_in_VA Thursday #26

"DSA types" equals New Deal Democrats AStern Thursday #59

LymphocyteLover Makes some Good Points. nt. Cha Thursday #63

By DSA-type I am referring to DSA people but also certain leftists and progressive Dems that may not be officially with LymphocyteLover 21 hrs ago #120

It's exactly the non-"DSA types"... returnee Thursday #54

I don't have any huge problem with DSA policy-wise, as long as they vote for Dems in the general election, LymphocyteLover 21 hrs ago #121

Why do you think that is? TVguyCards Thursday #60

See these policies LymphocyteLover 21 hrs ago #122

"DSA types" as you call them are just following what they do in European BComplex Thursday #73

and I'm not against that at all! Still they are not Democrats and they do create division in the Dem party. LymphocyteLover 21 hrs ago #123

Are you not following what's happening? TransitJohn Yesterday #114

I agree most Democrats like a lot of the progressive social policies that DSA promotes. I do too. LymphocyteLover 21 hrs ago #124

this is BS, though I don't know exactly what you mean by "mainstreamers" LymphocyteLover Thursday #9

Centrists, establishment, moderate, status quo, neoliberal, mainstreamer. Means capitalism. Capitalism bad. betsuni Thursday #81

The reich-wing mass media machine has demonized anything for the public good as "socialism." Mysterian Thursday #11

I caught a few minutes of The Five on Fox last night just to see the reaction to NY. For these people "socialism" OGBuzz Thursday #15

The Democratic Party in disarray! crud Thursday #13

Fight referee? DFW Thursday #40

I am convinced that profit has been the... S/V Loner Thursday #14

Reminder: data shows that most voters who identify as "moderates" actually prefer progressive policies Fiendish Thingy Thursday #18

Socialists elected maliaSmith Thursday #21

So did I DFW Thursday #41

You are suggesting that Boo1 Thursday #23

Somehow you missed the ACA Progressive dog Thursday #24

You're skipping over a lot. SamuelAdams Thursday #25

I'm all in - traditional Democrat or Progressive Democrat - I'll be supporting them. n/t iluvtennis Thursday #27

That's the key. yardwork Thursday #32

Well said @yardwork. n/t iluvtennis Thursday #36

Thanks. yardwork Thursday #38

To Be Effective, Democrats Need to Be the Majority MineralMan Thursday #35

This basic fact is known by billionaires. yardwork Thursday #37

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Who are you electing in your House District? Quiet Em Thursday #43

Like Bartelby, "I would prefer not to." DFW Thursday #44

Can't we celebrate good things happening 1WorldHope Thursday #45

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We played this game on DU in 2016 Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Thursday #49

I logged off of DU at the beginning of that primary season AZProgressive Thursday #51

"Mainstream" democrats have made it so that I can afford health insurance (ACA). LudwigPastorius Thursday #50

Are you self employed, poor or a brown person? 1WorldHope Thursday #55

Indeed, I am self employed. LudwigPastorius Thursday #57

I was also self employed most of my working career. 1WorldHope Thursday #62

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I'll happily vote for either in a given election Torchlight Thursday #52

OK. No one can accomplish anything unless LeftInTX Thursday #53

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From Google AI EnergizedLib Thursday #64

Democratic Socialism vs Social Democracy thought crime Thursday #80

Main streamers. LizVerite Thursday #68

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Lets elect, smart, honest, and committed people. Period. Joinfortmill Thursday #75

I'm just not keen on people who call Joe Biden a "rapist". RandySF Thursday #76

Socialist Schmocalist. Centrist Schmentrist. FIGHT OLIGARCHY. usonian Thursday #77

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So true, and makes one wonder just what some expect to accomplish by divisive posts like this OP blaming all the lostincalifornia Thursday #85

Still see idea that people are forced to vote for Republicans/3rd party because Democrats aren't progressive enough. betsuni Yesterday #109

I think you analysis is on the mark. lostincalifornia Yesterday #117

Democratic Socialists or main stream Dems. We've been electing "main streamers" for over 50 years and for warmfeet Thursday #79

Some might argue that the DSA gave us bush in 2000 thanks to Nader, trump in 2016 with the help of lostincalifornia Thursday #83

Some might argue that the democratic socialists kept getting yelled at to join the Democratic Party, and so they did. Iggo Yesterday #89

Nina Turner, Sirota, Cornell West, Prof. Eddie George oasis Yesterday #90

This is breaking into the open FINALLY Bluetus Thursday #84

Both! Iggo Thursday #87

More progressive lies creeksneakers2 Yesterday #91

Those in our ranks who worked to derail our nominees in 2000 and 2016 DFW Yesterday #95

Same fact-free myth that the Democratic Party has shifted to the right over the decades. Zero evidence. betsuni Yesterday #94

Many good points herein. And while B.See Yesterday #96

Why are we doing this? RandySF Yesterday #101

While I personally am more aligned with DSA JBTaurus83 Yesterday #103

I think it doesn't have to be one way or the other - why not have a diverse set of ideas? walkingman Yesterday #110

Actually, We Have Failed to Do That in Two Recent, Crucial Elections. MineralMan Yesterday #113

I'm for running candidates that fit their communities. BannonsLiver Yesterday #115

ACA. But More To The Point: If You Think ANYONE, EVEN JESUS HIMSELF, Could Get Elected With..... ColoringFool Yesterday #118

Way past time to tack left. marble falls 21 hrs ago #126

So the ACA has no benefit the average commoner? krawhitham 21 hrs ago #127

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act of 2009 krawhitham 20 hrs ago #128

Since 1977 Dems have created 43,551,000 more jobs than GQP krawhitham 20 hrs ago #129

Not this again.... Etherealoc1 19 hrs ago #131