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Jedi Guy

(3,524 posts)
41. Disclaimer: I don't live in Maine so my vote doesn't make a damn bit of difference here. Let's get that out of the way.
Fri Jun 5, 2026, 11:55 AM
Jun 5

Now that we've got that out of the way, Platner's candidacy - and the reaction to these revelations about his past - are pretty troubling to me. Because let's all be very real here: if this were anyone else, no one would be minimizing his whoops-didn't-know-it-was-a-Nazi-tattoo excuse and no one would be hand-waving away the reports about his past behavior towards women.

The sexting and drinking I don't care so much about as long as the former was between consenting adults. If we immediately nixed anyone with peccadillos and a drinking problem from public office the halls of Congress would be very, very quiet indeed.

What I find troubling is that a lot of people seem okay with jettisoning certain values out of convenience and/or a desire to capture the Senate. They're okay with a very flimsy "aw shucks, I didn't know" excuse about a literal Nazi tattoo and content to shrug off reports of borderline-violent behavior towards women that would draw immediate and visceral condemnation if the guy in question wasn't running for Senate in a hotly contested midterm election cycle.

The thing about values is that they can be very slippery. It's easy to subjectively shift them to fit the conveniences and needs of the moment. If a value is truly, deeply held one will remain true to it even (perhaps especially) when doing so carries a cost. And if that value shifts to allow for that moment of convenience, it comes across a lot like that value wasn't all that important to begin with.

I understand the importance of capturing the Senate in the midterms. I get that control of both houses of Congress is key to defanging Trump's agenda for the remainder of his term. I'm just not certain that abandoning certain values is a cost that's worth the price because once those values start slipping away it'll get easier and easier to compromise them when convenient or necessary.

Just my view from the outside looking in.

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The Seasaw with Graham Platner [View all] Chasstev365 Jun 5 OP
8 different women accusing Franken wasn't a hit EdmondDantes_ Jun 5 #1
You are making astute and accurate comments. Irish_Dem Jun 5 #5
Hit job. . AloeVera Jun 5 #25
total f*cking hit job DoBW Jun 5 #65
Eight women, some of whom made ridiculous mzmolly Jun 5 #70
Yup. lostincalifornia Jun 5 #79
It helps to listen to him talk policy Ziggy Beans Jun 5 #2
I particularly like the Stewart interview al bupp Jun 5 #81
Agreed ABC123Easy Jun 5 #3
"Are these Nazis in the room with you right now?" Emile Jun 5 #4
Not that I'm aware of ABC123Easy Jun 5 #6
No, but if we had a drink every time you posted about a Nazi tattoo, Emile Jun 5 #9
I doubt ABC123Easy Jun 5 #14
I salute your liver's dedication to your cause. Emile Jun 5 #19
Thank you ABC123Easy Jun 5 #20
Hang in there.... FarPoint Jun 5 #37
Thank you ABC123Easy Jun 5 #42
Some people are getting drunk on trolling n/t Just_Vote_Dem Jun 5 #18
Some people are yes ABC123Easy Jun 5 #21
Yes you can. BannonsLiver Jun 5 #49
Feeling ABC123Easy Jun 5 #53
Forum rules against bashing Democratic candidates. mr715 Jun 5 #60
I'm aware of all of that. ABC123Easy Jun 5 #61
Am I making a threat? mr715 Jun 5 #62
I took that as a threat, yes ABC123Easy Jun 5 #63
I'm explicitly stating I would not. mr715 Jun 5 #64
I've ABC123Easy Jun 5 #66
I apologize if I gave the impression I am attacking you. mr715 Jun 5 #67
Thank you. ABC123Easy Jun 5 #68
Gosh, I had no idea what a Nazi Tattoo was. Chasstev365 Jun 5 #29
Thanks for admitting you wouldn't vote for a Democrat Just_Vote_Dem Jun 5 #7
This is a Democratic Messaging board? ABC123Easy Jun 5 #11
He has not been nominated yet. LisaL Jun 5 #30
The Primary is still in contest FarPoint Jun 5 #38
Yes, and I would vote for Mills, Platner, or any other Democrat nominated Just_Vote_Dem Jun 5 #40
And you ignore the consequences of having Susan Collins voting in the Senate rather than Plattner NoRethugFriends Jun 5 #8
So you you ignore the consequences of having Nazi sympathizers in the US Senate? ABC123Easy Jun 5 #17
Millions. LisaL Jun 5 #31
Agreed ABC123Easy Jun 5 #34
That's so stupid!!! nt LAS14 Jun 5 #47
I agree ABC123Easy Jun 5 #52
So, you ARE OK with six more years of Susan Collins? MineralMan Jun 5 #10
And they think they're fooling people Just_Vote_Dem Jun 5 #12
I know, right? MineralMan Jun 5 #13
Can you explain why a tattoo two people have said he called his totenkopf is funny? EdmondDantes_ Jun 5 #15
No joke. It's a tattoo. MineralMan Jun 5 #16
Weird that you were rolling on the floor laughing if it wasn't a joke EdmondDantes_ Jun 5 #22
Just keep on keeping on, dude... MineralMan Jun 5 #24
The last picture I saw, it looked like the state of Ohio. Emile Jun 5 #23
When this all started and I first saw his tat, I thought " looks like darth vader to me" questionseverything Jun 5 #27
After the story about his Nazi tattoo came into the open, LisaL Jun 5 #28
Excuse me, but who between Platner and Collins has been supporting Nazis? MadameButterfly Jun 5 #69
You're excused? ABC123Easy Jun 5 #71
Usually people are concerned with Nazi tattoos MadameButterfly Jun 5 #72
Okay..... ABC123Easy Jun 5 #73
Sorry, when you said earlier that you "wouldn't" vote for Platner MadameButterfly Jun 5 #75
Well, well ABC123Easy Jun 5 #76
now you are just being intentially obtuse MadameButterfly Jun 5 #78
Hey ABC123Easy Jun 5 #80
You are helping Collins by trying to take support from platner, the only candidate polling well enough to beat Collins questionseverything Jun 5 #77
Look, if you want to vote for a guy with a Nazi tattoo, LisaL Jun 5 #26
Susan Collins represents a deadly cancer to the body that needs immediate removal to have a chance for survival. aeromanKC Jun 5 #32
He has not been nominated yet. LisaL Jun 5 #33
I'm not from Maine, but I would only want the best chance to eliminate Collins. aeromanKC Jun 5 #35
What makes him a best chance? LisaL Jun 5 #36
I was originally for Mills since she had proven she can win statewide race. aeromanKC Jun 5 #39
Disclaimer: I don't live in Maine so my vote doesn't make a damn bit of difference here. Let's get that out of the way. Jedi Guy Jun 5 #41
No one except the MAGA base LAS14 Jun 5 #45
Kind of proves my point, though, doesn't it? Jedi Guy Jun 5 #48
My values. LAS14 Jun 5 #46
"Get real." Jedi Guy Jun 5 #50
Why is it so hard? LAS14 Jun 5 #54
I don't bill myself as a scholar on Nazism but I recognized it as soon as I saw it. Jedi Guy Jun 5 #57
What makes it different from other skulls and crossbones? nt LAS14 Jun 5 #58
I was anti-Platner until the latest ratf*** WSHazel Jun 5 #43
Two possible reactions to the latest Platner news. LAS14 Jun 5 #44
Fuck this shit. CivicGrief Jun 5 #51
Maine here... ExtraGriz Jun 5 #55
+1 Emile Jun 5 #82
Useful Rules for Fielding/Supporting Candidates delisen Jun 5 #56
That and a nickel will get you a CivicGrief Jun 5 #59
Thanks for your response. delisen Jun 5 #74
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