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EdmondDantes_

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153. And yet you haven't presented an alternative

Mon May 25, 2026, 09:06 AM

8 hrs ago

The problem with your faulty attempt to turn it back on me is this. There's no evidence to support the underlying premise.

On the other hand I can provide alternative theories for my position that there is no election rigging and so there are other reasons to be derisive towards the claim you made.

1 the votes matched state audits
2 the vote was close to pre election polls
3 there are additional safeguards
4 all of the claimed evidence of fraud doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

So I can say based on logic that I'm opposed to the inane conspiracy theory because I am correct and backed by evidence.

So again, simple question. What is logical alternative theory based on evidence that concludes that there was theft of the election and the Democrats involved in the election process weren't either in on it, or not doing their job?

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Elon Musk's Ex, Ashley St. Clair, Confirms He Rigged the 2024 Election [View all] liberalla Tuesday OP

Another lie from this substack EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #1

So, you're saying conclusively DV1 Tuesday #4

Based on all the available evidence no it wasn't EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #7

So your asking them to prove a negative? paleotn Tuesday #15

This. Straight generic nonpartisan logic. Permanut Wednesday #77

I so wish it were Miguelito Loveless Tuesday #28

They seem to throw around the word "rigged" a lot to garner attention ToxMarz Tuesday #11

That's a really weird miss-statement of what Cambridge Analytica did. Scrivener7 Tuesday #57

No it isn't EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #60

Yes it is. Scrivener7 Tuesday #62

Nothing in there about changing cast votes EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #63

Your argument was that all they did was "persuade people to vote for Trump." Scrivener7 Tuesday #64

To me, "rigging" implies messing with the vote count, not spreading/targeting ads/propaganda/lies. CrispyQ Wednesday #102

I'm not sure who among us could withstand it if we were selected without our permission Scrivener7 Wednesday #103

I don't know anything about psy-ops CrispyQ Wednesday #107

They also targeted Bernie supporters and weak Democrats to cement their decisions not to vote for Hillary. Scrivener7 Wednesday #114

Two can play that game...if we would. Why don't we? -nt CrispyQ Wednesday #116

Because Zuckerberg allowed them access to every American Facebook account, but he Scrivener7 Wednesday #119

Who claimed votes were changed? live love laugh Wednesday #79

That's what the people claiming the original video was proving when they say righed EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #86

You might want to read this: Chemical Bill Thursday #145

Trump and Musk already admitted so this is conformation. Blue Full Moon Tuesday #66

And trump telling his audiences that they didn't need to show up to vote? BComplex Wednesday #78

It's complicated, but first tRUMP is a moron who says all kinds of stupid crap to mess with people LymphocyteLover Wednesday #98

Have you read The Conyers Report? n/t Chemical Bill Thursday #140

Not that I remember. What's it about? LymphocyteLover Thursday #141

Here... Chemical Bill Thursday #142

Thanks! I do remember the controversy back then and there was a ton of suspicion that the vote was altered in Ohio. LymphocyteLover Thursday #143

Yes. ALSO promoting the rigged election idea is a way to make voters apathetic because they think LymphocyteLover Wednesday #97

Obama said, " We have to come out in numbers so big, there's no doubt " questionseverything Wednesday #104

Yeah I forgot about that. How much of that was documented as fact about what the white hats did? LymphocyteLover Thursday #125

I'm with her. Donald always cheats. Joinfortmill 11 hrs ago #148

Conspiracy theories targeting MAGA is perfect Johonny Tuesday #2

I think this is an important point that lots of people miss. Whether WE believe they rigged it or not Scrivener7 Thursday #128

BlueAnon RetiredParatrooper Tuesday #3

American citizens overseeing their own vote count is what the founders questionseverything Tuesday #51

Ah yes - the "swarm". yellow dahlia Wednesday #84

Bull. Lies. Nonsense. Please delete. mr715 Tuesday #5

Yeah, how dare anyone think Trump & Co would do something underhanded! 31st Street Bridge Tuesday #52

Implicitly accusing both Biden and Harris of ineptitude and/or malevolence mr715 Tuesday #54

No one is accusing Biden or Harris of anything. yellow dahlia Wednesday #85

Because it's the logical conclusion from the election was stolen EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #120

Your logic is not rigorous. yellow dahlia Wednesday #121

And yet you didn't offer any other conclusions EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #123

I made my conclusions in my previous comments. yellow dahlia Wednesday #124

No you just insisted that it's wrong because you don't agree EdmondDantes_ Thursday #127

I don't like repeating myself. yellow dahlia Thursday #134

It's logical to believe... Chemical Bill Thursday #137

And yet you haven't presented an alternative EdmondDantes_ 8 hrs ago #153

Dems/some group need to subpoena her and obtain a bench warrant for all the real time texts she got from Musk. ancianita Tuesday #6

AND an order to take custody of all the ballots in all of the voting locations that showed the vote-flipping pattern. Bluetus Tuesday #37

K & R bookmarking FakeNoose Tuesday #8

Don't be gullible. This is how THEY act when THEY lose. FascismIsDeath Tuesday #9

More bullshit for This Will Hold Wiz Imp Tuesday #10

AMEN! ancianita Tuesday #17

I'm Certain This Is Accurate ProfessorGAC Tuesday #12

And the other half is not suprised. ananda Tuesday #13

The addiction to these conspiracy theories is really quite pathetic. tritsofme Tuesday #14

Conspiracy 'theories" can become investigations, which can then become allegations, and/or filed charges. There is ancianita Tuesday #18

Believing a theory a priori because it makes you feel good mr715 Tuesday #19

It isn't just the believing that makes them so. Belief based on what's probable can, through effort, change a "theory', ancianita Tuesday #25

I guess I distinguish between "belief" and "believing" mr715 Tuesday #31

I can't speak for anyone else, but nothing about this scenario makes me feel good. yellow dahlia Wednesday #87

And what's the difference given those both have the same corroboration? EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #23

I hear you. ancianita Tuesday #27

The Starlink Conspiracy Theory was debunked long ago Wiz Imp Tuesday #49

The people who continue to deny this operation occurred have no clue about the technical issues involved Bluetus Tuesday #40

Musk's Starlink Was Not Connected to Vote Tabulation Wiz Imp Tuesday #47

Yes it was via firmware patches that got put on the tabulators by Eaton after they bought Tripp Lite Botany 54 min ago #155

Jeeze, not this shit again. Starlink is just an ISP.... reACTIONary Wednesday #81

Incorrect. ancianita Wednesday #110

Jeeze, not this bullshit again redux.... reACTIONary Wednesday #115

Sure, it's not like the government is hiding flying saucers from the public. Kid Berwyn Tuesday #21

It is discouraging that so many people here are in such deep denial Bluetus Tuesday #43

If the theft-deniers refuse to recognize what may happen, they make it easier for it to happen... yellow dahlia Wednesday #89

They will always do whatever is necessary to reach their goal. yellow dahlia Wednesday #88

Wasting precious time ... littlemissmartypants Tuesday #45

Maybe I'm missing something, but all that story says is that Musk knew the results of the election earlier than he Fil1957 Tuesday #16

If musk knew the vote early he was tampering with the election and was into the Central Tabulators and the Botany Tuesday #24

Coincidentally, the internet shut down for hours across states in months running up to Nov 2024. More than one source ancianita Tuesday #30

It is a detriment to a fair and accurate election, when people refuse to question that which defies logic. yellow dahlia Wednesday #90

O.K. which one of these things is wrong? Botany Tuesday #20

Where is the evidence beyond vibes? mr715 Tuesday #22

Almost every one of those points can be .. Botany Tuesday #33

None of them are evidence regarding the specific claim. mr715 Tuesday #38

Authentic Frontier Gibberish Botany Tuesday #67

It's like a paranoid Charlie Day connecting the dots on his conspiracy board while chain-smoking pcdb Thursday #144

Oh please they are not just random facts but real facts and those facts can stand up to rigorous scrutiny. Botany Thursday #146

Love the plausible timeline. But is there a credible link to make the timeline credible? Here's what DTC Starlink is ancianita Tuesday #34

Also, lasers have fuck-all to do with Starlink's potential to interfere with voting machines. LudwigPastorius Tuesday #35

Of course not. It's was an EXAMPLE of an impossible to prove conspiracy theory. The Starlink connection is through ancianita Tuesday #65

This was not about the voting machines but about the tabulators which had firmware patches placed .. Botany Wednesday #117

*sigh* LudwigPastorius Wednesday #122

Trump, "Elon was very good with those vote counting computers. Thanks Elon." Rough quote. Botany Thursday #126

Because Trump isn't a known liar? EdmondDantes_ Thursday #129

Do you like red herrings for breakfast? Botany Thursday #130

If someone lies compulsively, it's best to not believe them without strong evidence EdmondDantes_ 8 hrs ago #154

True Confessions yellow dahlia Thursday #133

"The swarm is out in force in this thread." Botany Thursday #136

A swarm of "theft deniers". yellow dahlia Thursday #138

Trump is an inveterate, congenital liar, and an incurious idiot,... LudwigPastorius Thursday #139

Trump always spills the beans. Joinfortmill 10 hrs ago #150

it's not that anything is wrong there but there's simply no mechanism or proof that votes were changed there LymphocyteLover Wednesday #99

That was a rhetorical question, right? yellow dahlia Thursday #135

Gave me chills. Need to learn more about this Eaton Corporation Joinfortmill 10 hrs ago #149

I will graciously accept apologies from people who accused me Bluetus Tuesday #26

All federal election material, by law has to be kept 22 months questionseverything Tuesday #29

Have you noticed that neither Musk nor Trump care about any laws? Bluetus Tuesday #36

Have you noticed neither of them are able to chew gum mr715 Tuesday #41

No, I have not noticed that about Musk. Bluetus Tuesday #58

In my county in Illinois I can do a foia and look at the ballots for the last questionseverything Tuesday #42

Absolutely. Even if it isn't explicitly allowed by law Bluetus Tuesday #46

Please don't be offended but I think we spend too much time trying to figure out "how " questionseverything Tuesday #50

I'm not offended, but that sounds pretty quixotic to me Bluetus Tuesday #59

Hand counting paper ballots greatly reduces the chance of hacking questionseverything Tuesday #69

That will be a tough sell Bluetus Wednesday #74

Maybe a compromise could be only hand counting the top two races? questionseverything Wednesday #76

I don't think people will accept such a delay Bluetus Wednesday #80

How long a hand count takes depends on the size of the precinct questionseverything Wednesday #82

It greatly increases the chance of inaccurate counts EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #105

I'm talking small precincts counted by hand ( start with top two federal races) questionseverything Wednesday #106

I have evidence, you have a gut feeling EdmondDantes_ Wednesday #118

Here are the questions I asked questionseverything. yellow dahlia Wednesday #94

Hhmmm. Could someone organize folks in the important counties to do FOIA requests? yellow dahlia Wednesday #93

It doesn't hurt to ask and if nothing else it would identify which election authorities were transparent and which aren' questionseverything Wednesday #101

If I could identify the counties that matter with some research, yellow dahlia Wednesday #108

Wisconsin jumps to mind, not because they are the most corrupt questionseverything Wednesday #111

Pick one, wether it's one county or one town or one precinct questionseverything Wednesday #112

I'm glad some of us are paying attention. yellow dahlia Wednesday #113

So there's still time...in theory. yellow dahlia Wednesday #92

And as I said when Bluetus posted that information, B.See Tuesday #73

Thank you for this succinct summary and explanation. yellow dahlia Wednesday #91

Chilling and evil Joinfortmill 10 hrs ago #151

This is just embarrassing. LudwigPastorius Tuesday #32

I'm not a big believer in this particular theory. BannonsLiver Tuesday #39

lol, is probably good enough? questionseverything Tuesday #44

Sounds great. BannonsLiver Tuesday #71

No one has to change the tabulator, just to change what the spreadsheet reports questionseverything Tuesday #72

Abracadabra! danieljsf Tuesday #48

Ashley obnoxiousdrunk Tuesday #53

Post removed Post removed Tuesday #55

Down-ballot Discrepancies LessAspin Tuesday #56

Find 11,780 Votes LessAspin Tuesday #61

This should be an op, very well put together questionseverything Wednesday #75

I second that motion. yellow dahlia Wednesday #96

Hear! Hear! I say it is harder to make the rigging work when there is a mandate. yellow dahlia Wednesday #95

De rec this CT bollocks (& an attack on Biden, Harris, & Blue state leaders) from BlueAnon loons at This Will Hold Celerity Tuesday #68

Ashley St. Clair was a RW grifter until her money spigot got shut off. Seeking Serenity Tuesday #70

I take away the positive call to action - we can DO something. yellow dahlia Wednesday #83

Musk is an unrepentant LIAR and I'm not surprised he'd tell someone something like this. AStern Wednesday #100

Lock him up Trueblue1968 Wednesday #109

Question to vote-rigging deniers: Is throwing out ballots after they've been cast considered vote "rigging"? sop Thursday #131

NBC News Article on the Security of Voting Systems. waterwatcher123 Thursday #132

I'm with her. Joinfortmill 11 hrs ago #147

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