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Ocelot II

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20. He's at the center of a Venn diagram of evil, stupid, and crazy.
Sat May 16, 2026, 07:49 AM
May 16

Last edited Sat May 16, 2026, 08:39 AM - Edit history (3)

Sometimes there is a pretty fine line between mad and bad, and sometimes those things merge. True, most people with mental illness are not dangerous. On occasion, though, a person can be so delusional that they commit a serious crime, and in those relatively rare cases they are not held legally responsible for the crime on the ground that they were so mentally ill that they did not understand what they were doing or that it was a crime. But that's not Trump. He could never succeed with an insanity defense because he (mostly) knows and intends what he's doing. That's not to say that he's psychologically normal, because he clearly is not, even slightly.

The article in the OP recites a list of the many bad things Trump has done and continues to do, but offers no explanation for why he does them. He's a whole festering ball of personality disorders, DSM-V all condensed and shoveled into one person; and some personality disorders cause people to behave very badly. Since he has almost all of them, epic badness is to be expected, but personality disorders are not psychoses. He could choose not to do those bad things; he knows what they are and when he's doing them. He's not a classic schizophrenic; he doesn't really think he's Jesus, for example; only that he's just as good as and as worthy of worship as Jesus. I don't think he could be persuaded to walk on the newly-"improved" reflecting pool once it's filled or try to turn one overcooked hamburger into meals for the multitudes; he doesn't think he's the original miracle-doing Jesus.

This is where his personality disorders come in; as a narcissist he just loves it that MAGA thinks he's Jesus-like because he's a megalomaniac and a narcissist. He's completely self-absorbed and doesn't care who he's talking to as long as he knows someone is listening, which is why he saw nothing peculiar about talking to small children about Iran's nuclear weapons. He's all transmit and no receive, and he saw the children only as receivers for his transmissions. They could have been anybody with ears. He's a total solipsist, meaning that to him other human beings with minds and emotions and needs and agency don't exist, so he will do bad things on the regular because he's interested only in himself and other people are just tools for him to manipulate. None of that is normal, and it's the merger of mad and bad. The "madness" enables him to think that way, and the badness is that he could choose not to do the things he thinks about but does them anyway.

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The asshole needs an exorcist, not a psychiatrist. dalton99a May 16 #1
Exactly! He is pure evil. Grim Chieftain May 16 #3
It drives me crazy FHRRK1 May 16 #2
Precisely. B.See May 16 #8
Morally evil and mentally ill are not mutually excludve. wnylib May 16 #27
THIS malaise May 16 #30
I was going to posit the same thing - he is both. yellow dahlia May 16 #34
I'd agree they aren't mutually exclusive. He's B.See May 16 #43
And he's not dumb. He's a diabolical genius. nt pnwmom May 16 #4
BULLSHIT. He is profoundly stupid. Even Rex Tillerson recognized that in his first term. AZ8theist May 16 #6
Yes, he is mentally dull NJCher May 16 #7
What that means is that his genius, i.e., his superpower, is in being evil. nt pnwmom May 16 #15
He is completely immoral Cosmocat May 16 #31
Violence Whip-poor-will May 16 #16
He may be somewhat stupid; but even more so Profoundly Ignorant and doesn't care... electric_blue68 Monday #45
Or maybe he's gotten a free pass for evil, underhanded s---- that would've gotten anyone else LOCKED UP, long ago. B.See May 16 #9
NOPE Skittles May 16 #12
an evil genius wd intelligently pick his targets. mopinko May 16 #22
It's just an issue of word choice NJCher May 16 #28
Why. Can't. He. Just. Die? Grim Chieftain May 16 #5
Trump is sly...he knows how to manipulate racists BlueWaveNeverEnd May 16 #10
doesn't take "sly" to do that NJCher May 16 #24
He won't die and go to hell, Satan doesn't even BigmanPigman May 16 #11
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 ..... ♾️ live love laugh May 16 #13
Paint "Old Smokey" gold. BidenRocks May 16 #14
I AGREE. THANK YOU, B.SEE. Cha May 16 #17
Thank you, Cha. B.See May 16 #44
Trump has The Dark Triad Personality no_hypocrisy May 16 #18
Thank you for your summary and your willingness to share your story. yellow dahlia May 16 #35
Woah especially about that last (then) possibility. electric_blue68 Monday #46
I think a person can be both evil and mentally ill. The notion calling Trump mentally ill is somehow harmful to those Vinca May 16 #19
a psychiatrist once told me NJCher May 16 #25
He's at the center of a Venn diagram of evil, stupid, and crazy. Ocelot II May 16 #20
What his best friend said about him... Kid Berwyn May 16 #21
Malignant narcissism is a mental pathology Martin Eden May 16 #23
I've only been saying this forever. BlueTsunami2018 May 16 #26
I will not grant trump the sympathetic response that "mentally ill" deserves. Totally Tunsie May 16 #29
Yes yes yes TommieMommy May 16 #32
Evil schmevil. gulliver May 16 #33
Technically incorrect. returnee May 16 #36
Histrionic Personality Disorder, less recognized in men. Obvious in this one Maru Kitteh May 16 #41
we tend to think of monsters as fictional beasts agingdem May 16 #37
Regarding Mary Shelley's Frankenstein: Martin Eden May 16 #39
Correct mvd May 16 #38
Evil is a religious construct and not very useful. He certainly IS mentally ill. Maru Kitteh May 16 #40
Frontal lobe dementia plus sadism: loves to hurt people, deliberately. lindysalsagal May 16 #42
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