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bigtree

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14. interesting
Mon May 11, 2026, 06:15 PM
Monday

...so many successive presidents, republican and Democratic, restrained Israeli presidents from many of their worst ambitions.

Not much interest it seems from the folks who thought voters should blame the Biden administration (and Kamala Harris, the eventual nominee negotiating for a ceasefire in '24) for what Netenyahu eventually did under Trump.

Not sure what the cache is in spending time convincing those same self-defeating demagogues that Democrats wouldn't acquiesce to Israeli presidents wanting to use our military to war on their behalf, like Trump has.

I think we'd do more good accurately representing the party and our elected officials, who have always acted and communicated responsibly about our Mideast ally.

Moreover, we'd also do more good recognizing that issue in the election was a deliberately diverting and divisive canard, considering the republican opposition and the abdication of responsibility we've all witnessed from them.

I'd guess that's where you'd, correctly, find our elected and aspiring Democrats - focused on what concerns and affects Americans the most. Outside of a clear determination to end the Iran war, Democrats need to remind voters that their energy and efforts aren't mired in the fate of some nation or interest other than the United States and our people.

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On a Rainy Day [View all] H2O Man May 9 OP
Individually Saoirse9 May 10 #1
A number of things. H2O Man May 10 #6
When was Dick Cheney "ushered on stage" to endorse? What event was that? betsuni May 10 #2
Okay. H2O Man May 10 #7
you obviously don't see the virtue in enabling the election of a white supremacist, criminal madman bigtree Tuesday #24
My brains shut down when I try to understand it. betsuni Wednesday #42
This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Wednesday #43
"It is essential that we have a conversation on this complicated issue" Martin Eden May 10 #3
Very good! H2O Man May 10 #8
One Word Martin Eden May 10 #4
it's a hard conversation to have. mopinko May 10 #5
It has been a long while that I have seen so many of Israel's talking points summarized so well and succinctly. AloeVera May 10 #9
It definitely is hard. H2O Man Monday #11
i absolutely wish that jews believed in hell, mopinko Monday #13
Thank you! H2O Man Monday #15
Good OP malaise May 10 #10
Thank you! H2O Man Monday #12
interesting bigtree Monday #14
Interesting. H2O Man Monday #16
I think you can find numerous statements and actions by Sen. Schumer, if you look, that condem every objectional aspect bigtree Monday #17
Very good. H2O Man Monday #18
this is false bigtree Tuesday #21
Gracious! H2O Man Tuesday #22
that has nothing at all to do with what you claimed is my belief bigtree Tuesday #23
Sure it does. H2O Man Tuesday #25
well, you go on and tell me what I believe bigtree Tuesday #27
Golly. H2O Man Tuesday #28
responding to your continued effort to tell me what I believe bigtree Tuesday #29
You are funny! H2O Man Tuesday #30
you might not find it as funny if I did the same dishonest and demeaning thing bigtree Tuesday #31
I think that H2O Man Tuesday #32
I think it's sad that you can't find something that actually affects Americans to prioritize in the next election bigtree Tuesday #33
Comic genius! H2O Man Tuesday #34
like I said bigtree Tuesday #35
Ha! H2O Man Tuesday #36
lol, sweating 'Robert' bigtree Wednesday #37
I have never H2O Man Wednesday #38
there you go again, claiming I said things I haven't said or implied bigtree Wednesday #39
You are confused. H2O Man Wednesday #40
the hubris in representing to me that you know ANYTHING substantive about what I believe bigtree Wednesday #44
Catch-22, denialism and a few other things... AloeVera Monday #19
Americans were divided on that conflict bigtree Tuesday #20
The attempts at restraint failed because there was little behind them to make them serious. AloeVera Wednesday #41
I think you're assuming levers of influence that didn't exist for Biden bigtree Wednesday #45
I am reminded H2O Man Tuesday #26
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