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H2O Man

(79,250 posts)
8. Very good!
Sun May 10, 2026, 04:27 PM
May 10

I was frustrated by friends and associates who did not vote for VP Harris. By their saying that they did not think the felon could win in 2024, much like some of them -- though fewer -- said in 2016. I did think that VP Harris should have spoken more about the differences between what would be her administration's position on Gaza than President Biden's. While Biden has been one of my favorite politicians for decades, I disagreed with his full support for Israel. I remembered 1968, when VP Humphrey waited too long to move away from LBJ's policies in Vietnam. Yet just as a win belongs to the candidate and their campaign, so does a loss.

One of my nieces is married to a fellow from Boston. He is Jewish, and very pro-Israel as an American citizen. He is one of my favorite people to talk about politics with when he visits their second home here in upstate NY (my late parents' house). I'm looking forward to talking to him this summer. Last summer, he explained his thinking that Netanyahu is not so much the problem as the extremists who back him. He makes a number of valid, important points.

I appreciate the anger that resulted from Hama's brutal attack on Israeli human beings. I experienced something similar when British troops executed one of my cousins in front of his family. After breaking into their home late at night, they brought everyone into the living room, and killed my cousin in front of them. Did I support the tactics of the IRA then, as a young man? I could tell some stories. But today, in my old age, I know that violence is not the answer. Self-defense is good, but that is distinct from blowing things up, be it a bar in Ireland, or a girls school in Iran.

Everyone suffers in and from war, except the old men thirsting for death and destruction. We need to recognize them for what they are, and remove them from power.

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On a Rainy Day [View all] H2O Man May 9 OP
Individually Saoirse9 May 10 #1
A number of things. H2O Man May 10 #6
When was Dick Cheney "ushered on stage" to endorse? What event was that? betsuni May 10 #2
Okay. H2O Man May 10 #7
you obviously don't see the virtue in enabling the election of a white supremacist, criminal madman bigtree Tuesday #24
My brains shut down when I try to understand it. betsuni Wednesday #42
This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Wednesday #43
"It is essential that we have a conversation on this complicated issue" Martin Eden May 10 #3
Very good! H2O Man May 10 #8
One Word Martin Eden May 10 #4
it's a hard conversation to have. mopinko May 10 #5
It has been a long while that I have seen so many of Israel's talking points summarized so well and succinctly. AloeVera May 10 #9
It definitely is hard. H2O Man May 11 #11
i absolutely wish that jews believed in hell, mopinko May 11 #13
Thank you! H2O Man May 11 #15
Good OP malaise May 10 #10
Thank you! H2O Man May 11 #12
interesting bigtree May 11 #14
Interesting. H2O Man May 11 #16
I think you can find numerous statements and actions by Sen. Schumer, if you look, that condem every objectional aspect bigtree May 11 #17
Very good. H2O Man May 11 #18
this is false bigtree Tuesday #21
Gracious! H2O Man Tuesday #22
that has nothing at all to do with what you claimed is my belief bigtree Tuesday #23
Sure it does. H2O Man Tuesday #25
well, you go on and tell me what I believe bigtree Tuesday #27
Golly. H2O Man Tuesday #28
responding to your continued effort to tell me what I believe bigtree Tuesday #29
You are funny! H2O Man Tuesday #30
you might not find it as funny if I did the same dishonest and demeaning thing bigtree Tuesday #31
I think that H2O Man Tuesday #32
I think it's sad that you can't find something that actually affects Americans to prioritize in the next election bigtree Tuesday #33
Comic genius! H2O Man Tuesday #34
like I said bigtree Tuesday #35
Ha! H2O Man Tuesday #36
lol, sweating 'Robert' bigtree Wednesday #37
I have never H2O Man Wednesday #38
there you go again, claiming I said things I haven't said or implied bigtree Wednesday #39
You are confused. H2O Man Wednesday #40
the hubris in representing to me that you know ANYTHING substantive about what I believe bigtree Wednesday #44
Catch-22, denialism and a few other things... AloeVera May 11 #19
Americans were divided on that conflict bigtree Tuesday #20
The attempts at restraint failed because there was little behind them to make them serious. AloeVera Wednesday #41
I think you're assuming levers of influence that didn't exist for Biden bigtree Wednesday #45
I am reminded H2O Man Tuesday #26
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