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Fiendish Thingy

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127. Two what?

Sat May 2, 2026, 11:07 PM

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You’re not making any sense.

My point is, without court expansion, there will be a conservative majority on the court for at least another decade, perhaps much longer.

You presume that supporting court expansion is an automatic electoral death sentence for the Democratic Party- I have not seen a shred of recent (2025 or later) evidence supporting that assumption.

With Trump-induced, Republican-enabled suffering intensifying and crossing regional, racial and partisan boundaries, now is the time to take this opening to show people the court’s role in how things got so bad.

Because of that suffering, We are going to win the house, and the odds of taking the senate are improving week by week.

Although I feel strongly that court expansion must be the party’s #1 priority, I don’t think it must be the #1 campaign issue- relieving the Trump-induced suffering of the people should be.

Court reform can be rolled into an attack on the widespread corruption of this entire administration- that’s something the data shows majority support for addressing.

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A hearty "FUCK YOU" to anyone who helped bigots and fascists capture the Supreme Court. [View all] lapucelle Saturday OP

That's pretty much Mitch McConnell -misanthroptimist Saturday #1

If Al Gore had won in 2000, there would be no Roberts Court, no Samuel Alito, no Citizens United, lapucelle Saturday #3

That's an assumption about Gore Polybius Saturday #24

Gore would have been a far better President compared to bush LetMyPeopleVote Saturday #67

If the Rehnquist 5 hadn't stopped the legal Florida 2000 vote count DemocracyForever 13 hrs ago #196

How did he steal one from Biden? Polybius Saturday #22

Amy coney Barrett debsy Saturday #26

I see what you're saying Polybius Saturday #31

It's a steal due to McC's own standard set with Beer Bro -misanthroptimist Saturday #32

For clarity about McConnell's hypocrisy debsy Saturday #38

It was clearly hypocrisy--- since they blocked Obama's last SC nomination Jack Valentino Sunday #138

Even had they given Garland a vote, he still could have been voted down MichMan Sunday #167

as we will be under no obligation to give any Republican SC nominee a hearing or a vote, Jack Valentino Monday #191

Where did I say he wasn't due a vote; up or down? MichMan Monday #192

I'M SAYING IT !--- since McConnell made that the 'new norm'! Jack Valentino Yesterday #193

Exactly this debsy Saturday #23

NO.. It's all of them. nt Cha Saturday #91

I wouldn't count both of them, but clearly fair to count one karynnj Saturday #99

And let's not forget Newt Gingerich and his Contract on America... IthinkThereforeIAM Sunday #156

Does that include those who helped confirm Thomas, Alito and Roberts? Fiendish Thingy Saturday #2

Sorry, that doesn't work on me. I told you who is on my list. Feel free to make your own list and post an OP. lapucelle Saturday #4

But your list includes 2024 voters Fiendish Thingy Saturday #6

Read more carefully. Like I said, it doesn't work on me. lapucelle Saturday #8

Yes, but - read up on the "shadow docket" - it is NOT only about SC justice appointments RandomNumbers Saturday #9

Indeed, those recent leaks reveal Roberts as the architect of the Shadow Docket Fiendish Thingy Saturday #14

But the effect of this corrupt court is greatly amplified by the 2nd TSF admin RandomNumbers Saturday #15

The recent murder of the final pillar of the VRA would have happened regardless of who was the current president Fiendish Thingy Saturday #18

'Strange and inconsistent criteria'? Bobstandard Saturday #28

There's nothing "strange and inconsistent" about calling out the folks who help Republicans win. lapucelle Saturday #41

Agree totally. Bobstandard Saturday #43

Fighting for Democrats and standing up to, taking on, calling out those helping Republicans win betsuni Saturday #55

No Kidding! But apparently we'd be Cha Saturday #97

Roberts and Alito were appointed by G.W. Bush, and the OP mentions 2000 muriel_volestrangler 18 hrs ago #195

Why not? SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #16

Unless one of the Liberals dies or retires, any new appointments won't matter. Fiendish Thingy Saturday #19

Every appointment matters SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #20

They will matter because Trump will appoint someone at least as bad, who will be there for the next 40 years. Crunchy Frog Saturday #34

It won't change the 6-3 make up of the court through 2028 Fiendish Thingy Saturday #42

That's short term thinking SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #47

I prefer to seek solutions Fiendish Thingy Saturday #56

Fine SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #60

Expansion is the most feasible option that exists Fiendish Thingy Saturday #62

It's still only one longshot option SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #63

It won't take 60 votes - that's where the courage requirement comes in Fiendish Thingy Saturday #65

Never claimed I had any SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #66

So, you agree then that expansion should be priority #1? Fiendish Thingy Saturday #75

The only thing I agree to SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #78

Enjoy your time in the quicksand of spleen venting. Fiendish Thingy Saturday #81

I prefer to seek realistic solutions SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #83

There is only one realistic solution Fiendish Thingy Saturday #90

Again, my point was always SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #92

It's been attempted. mzmolly Saturday #74

The court has been expanded and contracted numerous times throughout history Fiendish Thingy Saturday #76

We need congress, the senate and the White House. mzmolly Saturday #77

Enforcing article 3 section 2 of the U.S. constitution DemocracyForever 13 hrs ago #197

You are assuming that the court will be expanded. Honest question - RandomNumbers Saturday #50

The mechanism is legislation passed through congress Fiendish Thingy Saturday #58

Do you have confidence that all the likely D primary winners RandomNumbers Saturday #59

It must be a concerted effort and a litmus test for 2026 and 2028 Fiendish Thingy Saturday #61

Litmus test? mzmolly Saturday #73

They have plenty of vulnerabilities that Dems can exploit during their campaigns Fiendish Thingy Saturday #79

I disagree on the litmus test. mzmolly Saturday #82

Failure to expand the court means the Trump era will continue for decades Fiendish Thingy Saturday #88

Again, we need all three branches mzmolly Saturday #102

Without court expansion, we surrender the judicial branch for a generation Fiendish Thingy Saturday #115

I understand the concern. mzmolly Saturday #119

Only two are close to retiring, and here is how I expect that will work: Fiendish Thingy Saturday #121

Two is better than none. mzmolly Saturday #125

Two what? Fiendish Thingy Saturday #127

I'm sorry you don't understand my point. mzmolly Saturday #130

Litmus test AKA SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #80

Exactly. We know what's coming, right? mzmolly Saturday #84

Yup SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #87

The court should be expanded mantra, mzmolly Saturday #72

And Barron would serve for 50 years mcar Saturday #96

If the court were expanded to 15 seats after Barron were appointed, I could live with that Fiendish Thingy Saturday #101

Anyone who refused to make way for a younger successor? BeyondGeography Saturday #5

Bernie Sanders is 84. Nixie Saturday #10

Lol BeyondGeography Saturday #11

LOL indeed. Nixie Saturday #13

I believe the Supreme Court is the topic under whathehell Saturday #33

That was also already answered. None of this Supreme Court Nixie Saturday #118

What was already answered? whathehell Saturday #124

Of course you don't. Ageism doesn't apply when you like Nixie Sunday #139

Your assumption is laughably off the mark. whathehell Sunday #171

There is actual history about my comment. It's obvious why you would not recognize it. Nixie Sunday #172

Sorry, but what 'history' are you referencing? whathehell Sunday #173

As I said, it's very obvious you are not going to get it. Nixie Sunday #175

Lol..No one else seems to be "getting it" either whathehell Sunday #186

Your version of "no one else " also doesn't get it. Nixie Sunday #187

..Is this really the best you can do? whathehell Sunday #188

I certainly believe you when you say you don't get it. Nixie Sunday #189

Exactly, Nixie... The Bottom Line. Cha Sunday #135

Hi Cha! It's so interesting to see how the selective ageism Nixie Sunday #140

Yeah, isn't it, though. Cha Sunday #142

Yes, I definitely remember all the scolds about the Supreme Court being a distraction from the *real* evil -- Nixie Sunday #145

Well Done, Nixie.. Cha Sunday #146

"It must be a fantastic speech, a brilliant speech, which you would want to share with the American betsuni Sunday #147

We were constantly scolded during the 2016 GE, Cha mcar Sunday #177

Dismissed as "identity politics." The white working class men who take showers at the end of the day revolution betsuni Sunday #180

And now voting rights and reproductive freedom are gone mcar Sunday #183

Creating dysfunction and blaming it on others. betsuni Sunday #185

And just last night... SocialDemocrat61 Saturday #17

Yes. I'm almost afraid to mention that on this forum. Crunchy Frog Saturday #37

"FUCK YOU," and you better vote for the Democratic nominee this time! Martin Eden Saturday #7

Ruth Ginsburg should have retired n/t leftstreet Saturday #12

We would still have the Roberts Court, Samuel Alito, Citizens United, and two out of the three Trump conservatives. lapucelle Saturday #21

Gore shouldn't have run with LIEberman leftstreet Saturday #25

Yep. progressoid Saturday #44

Gore Did Because JL Was First To Criticize Bill/Monica. ColoringFool Saturday #106

Oh, it is more than just her being "a liberal female justice" Behind the Aegis Saturday #93

Funny how it's Ruth Bader Ginsberg's fault and Al Gore's fault for picking Joe Lieberman. lapucelle Saturday #114

Hillary warned us LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #179

Damn right. Things wouldn't be perfect if Obama had chosen her replacement, but they'd be a hell of a lot better. Crunchy Frog Saturday #40

;-{) MISSING JUSTICE Goonch Saturday #27

Kick & Rec mcar Saturday #29

Remarkable that folks blame Al Gore and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, lapucelle Saturday #39

Feebly blaming Democrats, smirking "we could do this all day." Why? What's the point? Hating Democrats? betsuni Saturday #57

If you dig deeper, I am sure you could find a "coincidence". Behind the Aegis Saturday #94

It never changes. Always someone else to hold responsible mcar Saturday #95

They' were not paying attention to Cha Saturday #108

That's the way to pull in votes - TBF Saturday #30

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They are a majority now. How do we win without them? progressoid Saturday #45

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And yet, they often decide elections which has consequences progressoid Saturday #51

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Exactly. TY for explaining that. nt Cha Saturday #111

Too many naval-gazers don't understand (or don't care) how our political process actually works dlk Saturday #35

Where is Ralph Nader these days? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Saturday #48

92 And Still A Gadfly: ColoringFool Saturday #107

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"Aukshully, I blame Al Gore, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and Democrats in general". lapucelle Saturday #52

The inability to recognize and hopefully fix failures in our party are most often led by those blaming Melon Sunday #141

Perhaps it sounds like "the voters who don't vote" but the people being blamed are, in fact, the ASSHOLES RandomNumbers Sunday #164

Let me add another hearty one. betsuni Saturday #54

I could not agree more!! aeromanKC Saturday #64

Karl Rove funded Nader in 2000 and 2004 LetMyPeopleVote Saturday #68

Nader is still an asshole who refuses to admit he elected Bush or that Stein elected trump LetMyPeopleVote Saturday #69

. mzmolly Saturday #70

Don't forget anyone who listens to garbage from Rush Limbaugh, Fox News, or their megachurch pastors. Initech Saturday #71

Those are Republican voters who wanted bigots and fascists to control the Supreme Court. betsuni Saturday #86

Well,.. That's a very negative attitude you have there..... magicarpet Saturday #85

I know, lapucelle... It's heart sickening 💔 Cha Saturday #89

People who want to blame voters, I wonder what your plan is for the next race? biocube Saturday #98

I live with right wingers Keepthesoulalive Saturday #112

Elections aren't convincing people who don't vote like you to vote like you. biocube Saturday #120

No Keepthesoulalive Saturday #122

I lived in a small towns most of my life biocube Saturday #126

This last election was weighted by influencers Keepthesoulalive Sunday #144

My plan is the same as it is every year: work hard to elect Democrats who can win. lapucelle Saturday #116

Nobody more classic New Deal liberal Democratic than Biden. No vote for him/Harris, New Deal not important. betsuni Saturday #129

" campaign like New Deal Democrats"? SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #151

Well well well, this does seem to have ruffled some feathers here. flvegan Saturday #100

Bill Clinton used to say that hit dogs holler. lapucelle Sunday #158

Holding grudges is bad for you. BWdem4life Saturday #103

Interesting that you choose to focus on 2016 when the OP is about 2000, 2016, and 2024. lapucelle Saturday #117

Ok, good point BWdem4life Saturday #123

So your contention is that some folks on Democratic Underground don't vote for Democrats lapucelle Sunday #148

Is that what the OP is about? BWdem4life Sunday #155

Sorry, that doesn't work on me. lapucelle Sunday #174

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #184

Post removed Post removed Saturday #104

I agree with the op, B.See Saturday #105

Not to mention all the republicans who brought this about Redleg Saturday #109

This is specifically why we BEGGED people to vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016. LetMyPeopleVote Saturday #110

In my best judge's voice, "I'll allow it..." Torchlight Saturday #113

Add Miriam Adelson and her dead husband that gave over $300 million to Trump to your list of bigots and fascists PufPuf23 Saturday #128

Post removed Post removed Sunday #131

You are back again! sheshe2 Sunday #132

lol.. "proud of voting" for a Liar. That Cha Sunday #133

Brava! sheshe2 Sunday #134

DU Thanks YOu! This is a Cha Sunday #136

You are very welcome. sheshe2 Sunday #137

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Right now... Hope22 Sunday #143

I'm going to put the blame where it belongs. Elected Republicans, the media and elected Democrats Autumn Sunday #149

Wondering if there is a hearty "FUCK YOU AWARD" for the ones Emile Sunday #150

So republicans? SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #152

There should be. Autumn Sunday #154

They will get one from me, if they don't come to their senses pretty quickly. RandomNumbers Sunday #165

You are perfectly free to exonerate third party voters and entitled non-voting protestors. lapucelle Sunday #153

A politicians job in the campaign is to listen to the voters, get out there and get those votes. Autumn Sunday #157

Folks are perfectly free to exonerate third party voters and purity protest nonvoters, lapucelle Sunday #159

I have no power to exonerate anyone. Neither do you. No politician is owed a persons vote. Autumn Sunday #162

If a (somewhat) figurative use of a fairly common verb is too tricky, let me simplify. lapucelle Sunday #163

And when they lose the primary, get out there and get those votes for the NOMINEE RandomNumbers Sunday #166

Don't forget SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #160

Eddie Glaude is so embarrassed by his editorial that he got Time to remove his byline. lapucelle Sunday #168

He's been getting roasted the last few days SocialDemocrat61 Sunday #170

Ha! Didn't know that. betsuni Sunday #176

Blame repubs not progressive. returnee Sunday #161

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They always know better...like Biden 2024 was so obviously the right call BeyondGeography Sunday #190

Clinton warned us of possible Trump Supreme Court nominations LetMyPeopleVote Sunday #181

Americans are not thinkers Keepthesoulalive Sunday #182

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