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Dave says

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39. I already pointed that out
Wed Mar 25, 2026, 08:36 PM
Mar 25

We don’t want to pay social security benefits out of general funds as that would give politicians too much sway over it. However we kinda gave away too much in 1983. So tacking on the tax to FICA may be the road back to fairness.

Back in 1983, FICA taxes were raised in order to fund a trust fund that was promised to keep social security whole for 75 years. (Additionally, Reagan started taxing benefits.)

However, things happen. Looks like the trust fund will be exhausted in, say, another 5 or 6 years, so we only got about 50 years out of it. Then it can only payout around 75% of existing benefits. Ok, you may say. Others might disagree.

The $2-3T added to the fund was bound by law to invest only in Special Treasury Bonds paying a paltry 2% (it may have changed in recent years). They weren’t allowed to be traded, so we were stuck. We were losing money, as the CPI over most of this period was over 3%.

The debt, further, was “off the books”, it wasn’t included in yearly deficit figures. This allowed more borrowing than the public may have otherwise tolerated. Of course, various R administrations blew the top off of borrowing, leaving anyone who looks at it in shell shock.

Meanwhile there have been 3 tax cuts primarily for the wealthy totaling around $6 trillion. The rich, rather than paying taxes — like we of the rascal multitudes — would loan the government money, get a decent return, and then get their principal back. Good deal! Problem is 99% of us are not in that rarified club.

Back in the day when the top FIT rate was 50%, taxes were pretty equal (at about 30%) all across the income spectrum except for the very top and bottom (this includes sales taxes, state taxes, FIT, etc.). With all the generous tax cuts for the wealthy over the years, I doubt it’s as fair as back then. It never was very progressive. Asking the well off to chip in another 6.2% is not asking too much. It is fair. Equitable. And long past due.

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this is correct Henry203 Mar 25 #1
It is correct that there is a cap. Ms. Toad Mar 25 #4
Yeah, but the billionaire creates jobs, don't he? 3Hotdogs Mar 25 #28
There was a arithmetic error in calculating the "billionaire" percentage Ilikepurple Mar 25 #29
It is fundamentally wrong to describe the relative burden on the taxpayer as 12.4%, when it isn't. Ms. Toad Mar 25 #30
Slightly Misleading ProfessorGAC Mar 25 #2
I believe they are referring to a self employed worker, much like the billionaires are. LiberalArkie Mar 25 #7
That May Be ProfessorGAC Mar 25 #9
Nope. The percentage for a self-employed worker is 11.45. Ms. Toad Mar 25 #32
It's the assumption in the wording. haele Mar 25 #12
And the employer may reduce the wages in order to cover his/her half of the FICA. erronis Mar 25 #13
Yes. Employers' share of FICA is just another component of labor cost. Ilikepurple Mar 25 #23
Certainly Possible ProfessorGAC Mar 25 #24
15.3% for most of my adult life as a self employed person. progressoid Mar 25 #20
Not accurate in the details (albeit generally accurate in broad strokes). Ms. Toad Mar 25 #3
What is a self-employed person pay? 12.4% LiberalArkie Mar 25 #8
If I am not mistaken a self-employed person pays 12.4% payroll tax; state of stupid Mar 25 #17
Maybe so, I had to always pay the full amount. But that is what Murray was referring to when they said 12.4% LiberalArkie Mar 25 #26
15.3% - 12.4% for Social Security and 2.9% for Medicare progressoid Mar 25 #21
Nope. 11.4514%. Ms. Toad Mar 25 #33
I agree with your distinction of a "billionnaire" (wealth) vs. income (wages, taxable gains, etc.) erronis Mar 25 #14
We do our best to fluff the rich and trivialize financial disparity Torchlight Mar 25 #5
Benefits are also capped Dave says Mar 25 #6
Same Page, Except... ProfessorGAC Mar 25 #10
I'd treat dividends the same as earned income Dave says Mar 25 #18
I Buy That To A Degree ProfessorGAC Mar 25 #25
They could uncap the tax until the funds had a 75 year balance. Captain Zero Mar 25 #11
That's a thought. Dave says Mar 25 #19
If the cap is raised, then the benefits should also be increased MichMan Mar 25 #37
I already pointed that out Dave says Mar 25 #39
Double it for those making over $180,000.00 multigraincracker Mar 25 #15
For 2026 Social Security wages are capped at $184,500 and it rises just about every year ... aggiesal Mar 25 #16
I don't understand the reasoning behind creating a donut hole MichMan Mar 25 #38
I was slow to realize tax code favors wealth hibbing Mar 25 #22
And if you have your own business or are a 1099 contractor, double that rate! SheltieLover Mar 25 #27
No. The rate cited IS the rate for self-employed individuals (after reducing their income to 92.35%) Ms. Toad Mar 25 #35
Yes, 12 percent taken out dlilafae Mar 25 #31
No. 6.2% is taken out for social security. n/t Ms. Toad Mar 25 #34
WTF it is going broke time to tax the rich accordingly..... Historic NY Mar 25 #36
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